Jones Beene wrote: > > --- Frederick Sparber wrote: > > Mark Goldes' post on the "Power Chip" > > http://www.powerchips.gi/ > > Speaking of vapor ware, Fred, is trying to > double-capitalize on that! > > > conjures up visions of using the vapor of a heat > > pipe to transfer electrons from a > > conductive evaporator section past an > > electrically-insulated mid-section to > > an electrically conductive condensing section, with > > the electrons returning > > to the evaporator through an external load. > > > I don't know why I didn't think of this before. > > I do. Because it probably won't work ;-) > Given the way water or oil vapor with a thermal kinetic energy 1/2 mv^2 = kT can transport electrons over a potential barrier and condense in the heat rejection zone, I don't see why initially "salting" the evaporator fluid with electrons can't transfer charge. > > At least not in that simple form. Transfering > electrons is not enough... as there has to be some > kind of voltage differential, > That's what would occur to do work on an electrical return path.
> or anisotropy, in the > circuit - since the vapor is conductive both ways > The vapor is a very high resistance path, as would be high purity water or oil condensate. >. > The > cold end soon reaches the potential of the hot end, > Horse biscuits. the thermal input is powering the more positive charge left in the evaporator,driven by the heat source.. > > as > heat removal alone provides no lower potential on the > cold end, and then the coulomb charge of the cold end > stops further electron flow.... > 2nd biscuit. :-) > However (and Fred may have been thinking of this > necessary step all along) providing two sets of > TEC-diodes (or bi-metals) - one on either end (hot and > cold) with the vapor circuit in the middle could > possibly do better than two pairs of thermal-diodes > joined without the vapor, as the heat system and the > electrical system have greater separation? > Nope. One only has to fight to keep the "Electrostatic Seeding Charge" from getting back to earth ground. No doubt there is a electrometer-measurable potential with a simple glass-tube water heat pipe with a metal section inserted in both ends > > If you could just push the heat-pipe up near the > Carnot limit for the available heat-spread, it could > double the output from about 8-10% to 15-20% and then > such obvious things as capturing the energy from the > auto exhaust manifold, or the gas furnace, would make > a big difference in lowering hydrocarbon use. > You can using something like Octoil-S vacuum pump oil (or such) as the working fluid. There are a "gazillion" web pages on "Electrically Charged Water" .especially with colloid silver and/or minerals. Frederick > > Jones >
