Jones wrote,
Hi Mike,
>> There is obviously some overlap. In Mills view, hydrogen
>> is consummed, but JLN has now run this long enough to
>> know that no hydrogen is consumed in MAHG. This must mean
>> that the power source
>> is ultimately ZPE and not the hydrino.
> ***Not so at all.***
> Hydrogen is a fuel in BLP reactions, but the reactions are
> so energetic that
> an MAHG device could run a **very** long time before all
> the H atoms react.
Sorry Mike ... but that "long time" has already passed, and
it passed a long time ago...
... and still there is a full load of H2 after hundred of
hours of OU performance. This is clearly a ZPE phenomenon,
and not a hydrino phenomenon.
I don't think the case is proven at all by the evidence you
cite. The BLP reactions are highly energetic, increasingly so
as the hydrinos interact to drive to higher p-values. You
assumption below that the hydrinos escape may not be true,
for hydrino hydrides and hydrino molecules may be present, and
they are "bigger". How is "full load" determined? By
pressure? That does not distinguish between H and hydrinos,
which are smaller bu not significantly [by the tests used]
less massive. Temperature? Where are spectra that might
indicated the nature of the gases inside?
So that fact that energy is produced by a given charge of
hydrogen over a long period is not in itself proof of ZPE.
"Excess energy" has been the gold standard for CF, excluding
all but nuclear reactions to account for the long term energy
production. Mills has produced similar evidence, in addition
to speactral features. It is altogether natural to assume
that **no known reaction** can account for the continued
energy production in the closed MAGH cell except ZPE. But
that is only a hopeful assumption, not proven in this
particular case, for the Mills BLP reactions can run in this
sealed, closed environment. The fact that the Mills research
cells have been studied under flow conditions does not prove
at all that this closed cell cannot run for a very, very long
time so long as the hot W continues to dissociate H to start
the reaction chains.
A mole (Avogadro's number) of molecules of any gas occupies a
volume of 22.4 liters at STP. It has a mass equal to the
molecular mass expressed in grams = 2. If the volume of a
MAHG tube is about a half liter and the vacuum is 80 torrs,
then there will be rougly10e20 molecules of H2 in a MAHG
tube about 4 milligrams - yet look at the incredible energy
created with no loss of gas volume or pressure due to
hydrinos.
Not proof; you *assume* hydrinos will diffuse out of the
reactor. The hot W is a rich electron emitter, so lots of
electrons to form hydrino hydrides will be available and are
no more likely to diffuse out of the system than H is. No
proof here, sorry.
Naudin has performed hundreds
of runs now over months, and many of the runs are several
hours. I do not know the exact summation details other than
the figures which plainly appear on the site, anyone can do
the math, but the latest show consistent 50-100 watts of
excess in each run. Multiply this by the time period of the
run and number of runs and there is absolutely no way that
hydrinos could be involved as the tube, containing about
four milligrams of H2 initially - which would have shown
severe parameter changes, over this time period, due to loss
of hydrogen to hydrinos, and there would even be eventual
soft x-rays, once they became so shrunken - had they been
there. This has not happened !
What parameter changes were looked for? How were soft x-rays
looked for? How could such be detected though a metal shell
and a flow calorimter? Where was the VUV window and
spectrophotomers that Mills used? All I see in Jone's
statements above are a string of hopeful conjectures, with no
data to support them.
There are no changes due to hydrino formation. This is NOT a
hydrino situation, plain and simple... unless that is,
hydrinos form temporarily and then oscillate back - in which
case ZPE is still the driving force, and we all know what
Randall thinks about ZPE.
Jones is not following the hydrino reactions closely. Each
one is mediated by the resonant transfer energy exchange,
which is not oscillatory. There are many possible such
reactions between H and hydrinos, and between hydrinos
themselves. In such exchanges, one reactant goes "up" and the
other goes "down". Jones is perhaps confused by the
bound-free spectrum of hydrino hydrides, which was the topic
of much discussion some time ago. Electrons can be acquired
by hydrinos, producing hydrides, even as atomic H can form
hydrides. The extran electron is loosely bound by magnetic,
not electrostatic forces, and can oscillate in a "bound-free"
dance. This has nothing to do with ZPE, so far as I know.
He can't have it both ways, and it looks to me like he may
have chosen to ride the wrong horse.
It's still a horse race, the Mills reactions can run in the
stated conditions, can produce large energy, and no tests
have been proformed to confirm or deny their existens. Sor
far as I can tell, Naudin has simply ignored the possibility.
He is conducting system performance tests, which is well and
good, but they could be of a BLP reactor.
Mike Carrell
