At 07:30 am 23/07/2005 -0500, Fred wrote:
>Frank Grimer Sez:
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>> What interests me is,
>>
>> electron - electron
>> proton - proton
>>
>> repulsion,
>>
>> and
>>
>> electron - proton
>> proton - electron
>>
>> "attraction"
>Here Here.
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>> I've put quotation marks around the word
>> attraction cos it ain't the electron and the
>> proton which are the active agent but the
>> surrounding environment - the ZPE ocean.
> Casimir Force omnidirectional push, no?
Yes and no. Hydrostatic on the large scale.
hydrodynamic on the small scale
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>> The Proton is like a monstrous battleship which
>> is surrounded by the swirling waters of the zero
>> point energy ocean. If the small sailing boat
>> the Saucy Electron gets too near HMS Proton it
>> will be "sucked" in to the side of the ship. It
>> will slide down the flume type depression.
> Sounds like Einstein's rubber membrane Gravity Demo.
One has to think in dynamic terms, not static.
One has to remember that whichever way the
water sloshes around between Saucy and Proton
there will be a flume type depression.
All that's required is that it sloshes.
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>> Of course, the Saucy Electron is not "sucked"
>> at all. It is pushed by the water on the side
>> away from HMS Proton which is higher than the
>> water on the side of Saucy nearer to Proton.
>>
>> Now it is evident that a charged electron is a
>> very different animal from a charged proton.
>> The repulsion between two charged electrons is
>> a repulsion between two particles with a very
>> small mass.
>>
>> The repulsion between two charged protons on
>> the other hand is a repulsion between two
>> particles with a very large mass.
>>
>> This must make a difference.
>>
>> By contrast, the ZPE repulsion which forces
>> the electron and proton together will (be) the
>> same as the ZPE repulsion which forces the
>> proton and electron together because it is
>> the same Zero Point Energy ocean in both
>> cases.
>>
>> So one can see how altering the Beta-atmosphere
>> pressure might alter two effects which have very
>> different active agents, whilst not altering
>> two effects (proton-electron "attraction" and
>> electron-proton "attraction") which have the
>> same active agent, the ZPE ocean.
>>
>> That's quite enough for one post. 8-)
>Well stated, Frank.
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> The speed of a submarine or fish in the ocean is limited by
> the displacement of the mass (virtual mass) of the water as it
> moves, no matter how "streamlined" it is.
> OTOH, the vacuum ether (or Beta Ether) has no mass,...
Wrong! It has Neutral Mass.
Mass is energy.
And energy is motion^2
So energy can be positive or negative as exemplified
by strain energy (epsilon^2) which can be tensile
strain energy or compressive strain energy.
So mass can be positive or negative.
Mass is not a measure of substance but a measure of
motion relative to the environment as both Ing.Saviour
and I have independently realised. (see his and my
Yahoo sites for details).
Negative mass is like positive charge, mass below the
ambient mass of the environment. When a positron
and an electron collapse into each other's arms they
do not simply disappear. They form a particle with
neutral charge and neutral mass, as Hotson implicitly
realised. I recognised it in a slightly different way
as the fourth member of the minimalist nuclear Mendeleev
type table and christened it the Materon.
This particle is substantial, which means it must
occupy space and must have a location in that space.
If it's hit by the right kind of energy it splits
apart and appears as a positron and electron.
After all - Think about it man! Why on earth should
a photon suddenly produce a positron and an electron
out of nothing. What makes that pin-point in
"nothingness" more special than some other pin-point.
An Angel?
That ain't physics - That's bloody MAGIC!
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Cheers,
Frank
