Mitchell Swartz wrote:
At 11:56 PM 9/13/2005, Ed Storms inaccurately pontificates:
Michael Foster wrote:
Is Ed Storms actually a Super Double Secret Dysinformation
Agent who has penetrated the white knights of Vortex-L?
...
Storms: This is not true, a proper person can buy heavy-water. The
issue is liability. D2O is a poison. Therefore, like all
such chemicals, it is sold only to businesses.
Now either Ed is stupid or uninformed, which I seriously
doubt, or he assumes that I am stupid and/or uninformed,
which I guess is open to speculation. You need to replace
half the water in your body with D2O before it becomes
toxic. On that scale, Karo syrup is more poisonous.
Storms: Well Michael, I have no trouble buying heavy water.
Despite Storms' claim, it has gotten more difficult to obtain heavy
water.
Please tell me Michael, where have you tried to get heavy water and were
refused? I have had no trouble getting it from Cambridge Isotopes.
Despite Storms' claim, compared to many things, D2O is NOT poisonous
in small amounts.
I know this and made no claim it was poisonous in small amounts.
Nevertheless, it will kill you if you should drink enough.
In small amounts, D2O is used in medical tests, medical studies, and
even as a tracer in drug-compliance studies.
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Storms: The difference between D2O and Karo syrup is that you would
know that you were drinking D2O.
Despite Storms' claim to having an unusually-sensitive tongue which
he alleges can detect D2O,
one would NOT know they were drinking D2O. They have the same taste.
Sorry, I left out "not" in the statement. Michael is correct, H2O and
D2O taste the same.
The point to this exchange is that difficulty to obtain certain
chemicals has more to do with legal issues than because the government
is trying to suppress certain kinds of work. I would be most interested
in real evidence that I'm wrong. Has anyone talked to anyone in the
government who has admitted to such control?
Ed
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http://www.google.com/search?hs=v2o&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=taste%22heavy+water%22+humans&btnG=Search
[ FWIW, however, some types of rats reportedly can detect D2O in
very high doses
http://www.ebmonline.org/cgi/content/abstract/152/4/677 ]
Refs:
Pharmacological uses and perspectives of heavy water and deuterated
compounds by D.J. Kushner, Alison Baker, and T.G. Dunstall;
Can. J. Physiol. Pharmacol./Rev. Can. Physiol. Pharmacol. 77(2):
79-88 (1999)
Material Safety Data Sheet on D2O
http://www.msdsonline.com/Tools/DMSDS.asp?MSDS_Id=56247&Lib=Y
ECOTOX: http://www.epa.gov/ecotox/
PubMed: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=PubMed
CSA (Cambridge Scientific Abstracts): http://www.csa2.com/
Myth: You can commit suicide by drinking X litres of D2O
http://lachlan.bluehaze.com.au/myths/d2o_death.html
http://www.google.com/search?hs=Wkg&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=toxicity+%22heavy+water%22&btnG=Search
