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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jed Rothwell
Sent: 14 September 2005 20:16
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: Due Diligence on CF

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  Of course there are a million and one conspiracies against you when
>you are having a bad time!

YOU are the only one claiming there is a conspiracy! I say there is no 
conspiracy, and yet you persist in accusing me of conspiracy mongering. 
This is highly irrational.

This is not surprising, You are not the first to accuse me of doing things 
I have not done, and saying things I have not said. This is a logical 
fallacy called a straw man argument. Yours is particularly egregious 
example because I am saying just the opposite of what you accuse me of
saying.


>May be you are in a rut and pissed off.

The nation is in a rut. The scientific establishment is in a rut. I am 
standing outside the rut, looking down a clear road ahead, and urging 
people to join me.


>Negativity is not going to help you is it?

On the contrary, negativity may well help. After all else failed, it worked 
splendidly in the 1960s to promote integration and progress in race 
relations. My mother was working in the Bureau of Commerce back then, and 
she had many black colleagues. These were professionals -- statisticians, 
programmers and social science researchers. Many were first generation 
college graduates. As you would expect, they were thoroughly bourgeois in 
attitude, dress, manners, social mores and so on. No one is more firmly 
middle-class and respectable than a person who has escaped from poverty. In 
the 1960s Washington and the federal government was still quite segregated, 
and this group was still fighting for promotion to management and equal 
treatment. They were using oh-so-respectable techniques of reasoned 
negotiation and quiet diplomacy: no demonstrations, no threat of lawsuits, 
nothing that might be construed as "agitation." And as you would expect, 
they were getting nowhere. (They have been doing this sort of thing since 
1865 without success.) Upper management would patronize them, pat them on 
the head, praise them for being such goody-goody upstanding people, and 
then ignore them. Finally around 1966 they took a lesson from black 
militants, and changed their style. They grew Afros, they wore dashikis, 
they started lecturing In Your Face about black power. They threatened to 
hold a demonstration in the cafeteria! Most important, they scared the hell 
out of the management all the way up the federal bureaucracy. Within months 
they achieved more progress than they had in the previous 20 years, and the 
change was permanent.

The thing is, this was an act. It was a political performance. These were 
the same middle-class, middle-aged, staid people they had always been. 
Nobody listened to them until they threatened to break the rules and make a 
stink.

Based on this incident, I have long recommended that CF researchers act up, 
make trouble, and maybe chain themselves to the White House fence. Anything 
to attract attention. Playing by the rules of peer review has not worked, 
and I doubt it ever will.

- Jed

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