Jones Beene wrote:

Frankly, I see no point to going that fast without the ICE. The ICE is more efficient than the electric motor at that speed.

Actually no, it is far less expensive - perhaps half the cost - to go with a larger electric motor and batteries recharged at night-time grid rates 6-7 cents per kwh than to use gasoline at $3.00+ gallon . . .

The cost probably is higher, because petroleum is more expensive than coal or natural gas per MJ. I meant the fuel efficiency, or carbon emission per passenger mile. At high speeds, ICE efficiency is as good as the path for fossil fuel generator => battery => vehicle propulsion. Electricity from nuclear power or wind turbines is another matter.

There is no doubt that if we had superb batteries right now, with a 300 to 600 mile range, a pure electric vehicle would be the most efficient and least polluting overall. However, since we do not, and we have to make hybrids that use some gasoline anyway, they might as well use the ICE directly at high speeds. The cars have to have a heavy-duty powerful ICE no matter what; they might as will use it at peak output from time to time to prolong battery power. High speeds and long-distance will both quickly drain the limited battery reserves of a plug-in hybrid, so you might as well resort to using the ICE early on. (This is similar to the proposal Beene made the other day when he suggested that you would start the hydrogen genset the moment you left home if you intended to make a long trip. You would do this because you know of the capacity of the batteries is going to be exceeded anyway, so you might as well keep the batteries fully charged.)

A typical urban driver with a plug-in hybrid will use little gasoline over the course of a year even if the gasoline motor clicks on at 40 mph and above before the battery is exhausted. A suburban driver commuting long distances over high-speed roads will have to wait for better batteries and a different hybrid design, or a pure electric vehicle optimized for high speeds.

- Jed


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