I wanted people to consider the nature and value of lust. Harry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> V, > Out of interest, what kicked off this whole discussion? Was somebody caught > with their pants down? > > Look the Latins, pagans and other religions don't have these Anglo-Saxon > problems a man is a man, right... So what if he's married and has an au-pair > or two? It's the double standard and it's a man's world (or take a look at > the antics of divorced older women, I guess they catch up). > > You know, St Paul really did it in for Christianity, the misogynistic little > politico. > R. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of thomas malloy > Sent: 14 December 2005 10:15 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: OffTopic: Lust and the bible > > Vortexians; > > I found the response to this thread interesting, it was as if I'd > been subscribed to a religious list. > > Sexual immorality is any sexual activity other than that between a > married couple. Lust is forbidden by Yeshua. He is clearly using the > word as something stronger than something that you simply want. > > I realize that other religious systems have love your neighbor as > yourself as a tenant. There are lots of elements of the Christian > religion which had common elements in older pagan religions. There > are two ways to look at this; one is Universalism, all religions lead > to salvation, the other view is that Satan is a clever counterfeiter. > >> Harry Veeder wrote: >>> >>> >>> 1. Can a Christian lust and still be qualified to enter into the >>> Kingdom of God? > > Yes but only if you repent. > >> Otherwise, you'll need to do some purgatory time, but after that >> you're cleared for takeoff on the runway to Heaven. > > I thought that the Roman Church had repented of purgatory > >> >>> 2. Can a man or a woman lust for their mate, yet without sin? >> > > Lust implies sexual desire. This is one thing if both of the people > are single, but if one of them are married, it is sin. > >> >>> 3. Is lusting a sin? > > yes > >> >>> 4. Do you really know the difference between lust and desire? > > I think that the difference is obvious. > >>> 5. If you lust for something, would your Maker grant it to you? > > He might, if it pleases him. > >>> 6. If you caught yourself lusting should you repent of it? > > There is no forgiveness of sin without repentance. > >>> 7. Does God, Christ, and all the holy angels ever lust? > > A holy, kadosh, G-d, cannot allow that which is unholy in his > kingdom. The angels and the Sons of G-d who lusted left heaven > >>> Those who are spirit beings, those who are Holy, perfect, and righteous? > > The ones who lusted left heaven long ago and came here. According to > the Book of Enoch, they are imprisoned here awaiting judgment. > >> >> Regarding (7.): Yes, of course, angels do. See Genesis 6:1-4 for more > info. >> >> But that's a very concise treatment of the story. For a longer and >> more explicit version see 1 Enoch 6-7, followed by additional >> references throughout the following chapters up to 1 Enoch 71. (1 >> Enoch is an early first century Jewish work which appears to have >> been treated as ... um, well, gospel, > > We believe that the Enoch in the title is the Enoch mentioned in > Genesis. Noah brought a copy with him on the ark. > >> I guess you'd call it ... by many in the early Church, certainly >> including St. Jude, who quotes from it, and possibly including Paul >> himself. It was considered a sacred book by the Christian church in >> Ethiopia for centuries.) > > My rabbi agrees. > >> For a bit more on Satan/Lucipher and his feelings in various matters >> see the Life of Adam and Eve 12-16. He's apparently a very >> emotional guy, and quite proud, and feels he really got shafted by >> God. (LoA&E is also a 1st century work, which incorporates >> longstanding traditions surrounding the events in the Bible.) > > Leave it up to Lucifer to believe that. He started out with pride, > and then he lied, and then he murdered. Tonight's interviewee on C to > C AM is talking about Zachuriah Sitchens who has written a book about > some Sumerian clay tablets that he translated. He tells a story about > an extra terresterial race called the Ananaki, who created humans to > be their slaves. Sitchen's story continues with the usual New Age B > S. Satan has a long history of writing books which deceive people. > IMHO, this is one of the finest examples of his art. > >> And who, by the way, ever said angels are "perfect"? > > A holy G-d cannot tolerate that which is unholy in his kingdom. > >> >>> >>> Don't be too quick to answer. Remember, all of our background came >>> from our parents, culture, and our society. > >> Take yourself out of our culture and into some other where "lust" >> and "sin" aren't all tangled up together and where "Christ" is just >> a word with no meaning and nobody's ever heard parables about the >> "Kingdom of Heaven", and you'll have trouble even understanding what >> those questions are supposed to mean. > > You're making several assumptions, and you know what happens when you > assume. If there is no creator, and he has no interest in making the > Earth holy, then you can write the story off as a parable. > > > --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- > http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! --- >
