Standing Bear wrote:
This thread is really spam.
No, this thread is just a symptom. We're sitting in the waiting room,
some experimenting, most just waiting, hoping that somebody's going to
jump up and shout "The Jubilee's here! I've closed the loop!"
A few years back it looked like that was about to happen. But years
have passed, the researchers who are actively looking have gotten older,
and nobody's announced the Jubilee. Jed's announcements of startling
new papers seem to be less and less frequent, the "new" items outside
the arena of CF get even harder to believe (or even more mundane), and
it all starts to look pretty gray. Patterson's miracle cell
self-destructed, BLP needs to either rewrite all of physics starting at
the sophomore level or recant their results, Mizuno's apparently given
up on low temp wet cells, and the only one claiming anything which has
the possibility of going commercial is Mitch Swartz and all he ever
posts these days are rants against Jed. And so, those of us taking up
space on the list who aren't actively experimenting are getting bored
waiting for The Breakthrough and we're talking about other stuff in the
mean time.
Unfortunately for the noise level, this forum's actually a pretty
friendly place to talk about goofy stuff like the merits of the book of
Enoch. The "real" religious groups are chock full of people who take it
all so seriously that there can be no real discussion, and there's
always a particular POV to which one is supposed to adhere in order to
remain on-topic for the group.
It is attracting Vortexians into its spiderweb with the alluring illusion of
the challenge of a 'debate'. The originator of the posting started the ball
rolling by replying to his own post,
Huh? Harry Veeder started this thread and didn't reply to his own post,
that I can see. (He replied to some replies to his post but that's
normal, or even desireable.) I don't see any commercial messages from
him, either.
Its all there in various 'holy books'. They
all say the same basic things. They all probably came from a single
source, a now lost and long forgotten 'holy book' that was actually
a rule book created by our bio-engineers long ago. From this our
earliest sentient ancestors about 14000 years ago
Say what? Try 1,000,000 years ago. May not be quite right, but on a
log scale, it'll be a lot closer than 14,000.
Our earliest "sentient" ancestors, who invented clothing and fire, were
not "human". That seems clear from a simple inventory of our rather
peculiar physical attributes, which would be quite difficult to evolve
in a world without cooked food and warm exoskins.
Actually I might take issue with your use of the word "sentient" here
but that's yet another off-topic argument...
were instructed
in ways to live in order to: survive and lead healthy lives; and not
inbreed and ruin the genetic programming engineered into the
homo erectus robustii that had been the seeds for alien DNA transplantation
project.
So did they work over the chimps, too, maybe as "practice" before the
main event?
If not, how on Earth do you explain the enormous similarity between our
DNA and chimpanzee DNA?
The instruction was most likely verbal as the newly incubated
changlelings would not yet have a written language to go with their
newly acquired speech ability. An original language was probably
taught them before the 'code of living' was given them. Once having
the knowledge necessary for successful colonization of this planet, the
subjects were released into the natural environment (the 'garden of eden').
Who knows, 'eden' or some sound like it probably meant something
in the alien language. The new 'men' then found .....other people??!?....
to mate with and begin the chain of 'begats' found in every 'holy book'
in the world. From there the tales diverge into fantasy, but that fantasy
includes the basic teachings: don't kill each other (makes sense if one
wants his 'people' to survive); don't steal; don't do genetic crimes to
interfere with the DNA templates; you are a 'member of _______religion
because your MOTHER was (the real code is in the mitochondria); don't
eat 'unclean meats' usually meaning pork (some kind of pig DNA was
probably also used to fill in certain gaps or for genetic interfacing with
alien and robustian DNA somewhere....this dictum appears in more
than several 'holy' codexes). I mean really folks, these hucksters came
to a scientific site to trash it and pollute it. Are they really so stupid as
to lack the ability to concieve of an intelligence greater than themselves?
Do they really believe thier own lies and dogmas so much that they are
unable to imagine a successful challenge?
I'm sorry, long about this point I started getting lost in the ranting...
Did they think that we would fall victim to propagandists cloaked in religions?
Did they think us
superstitious? Or is the idea to simply clog the list with endless and
fruitless 'dialogs of the deaf', eventually driving out the members from our
little corner of the world and scattering us so that the real ideas we
discuss will no longer have a forum.
I will not leave!, but I can screen them. Under linux, keywords appearing
anywhere in any header can be used as mail filters. These 'keywords
can contain punctuation marks, parts of HTML commands, etc. Religious
spammers are just like porn spammers, drug pushers, phishers and
virus vendors in that they have a limited vocabulary: just like we filter
on four letter words and combinations and mispellings of the same to
ban porners; or filter on drug names for pushers; or filter on 'values', 'buy'
or 'credit' for loansharks and hot goods pushers; religious sharks use
lots of 'God' (may be not capitolized or use different names for the 'diety'),
'save' (just like salesmen), 'salvation', 'sin', 'lust' (just like porners),
'adultery' (again just like porners)....you know the drill. Use enough of
those and delete them and...voila...the world is clean again of their filth.
And oh, yeah, if our list is really under attack, these folks won't let go
easy. They will use junk in the titles and spoofed return addresses and
forged headers while inundating us......just like spammers. Religious
fanatics have murdured millions throughout history. It is one place our
bioengineers made a mistake in our genetic code, allowing the genes
for murder of one's own species members, genes that are present in
today's great apes like the chimpanzees, to continue. Perhaps our
bioengineers did not know these genes existed because they did not stay long
enough on our planet to do more thorough studies of candidate
species for aliotransplantation. One wonders if these aliens were
able to time travel as well. They would then have had and yet have
the ability to look in on us from time to time. Like maybe we are/were
an alien tourist attraction?! But if that is true, then what does that say
also about them? Certainly not anything ethically or morally good!
But then if we are a tourist attraction, the 'keepers' would want to
make certain that the 'animals' never get out of the cage....that is
gain the ability for space travel. Maybe that is behind the present
administration's sudden newfound love for old chemical rocket
tech that is prone to failure.
Enough rant for one day!
Standing Bear
