Others believe the Logos should be self-sustaining. Or as Mr. Grimer iterated

*In principio erat Verbum et Verbum erat apud Deum et Deus erat Verbum*

(bringing us back off topic  ;-)

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From: Steven Krivit

Bill B's got a good point. This is one of the aspects which makes Vortex such a valuable group.  Most people are willing to identify themselves and stand behind their words. 
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