The magnetic coupling of the induction system is too variable and can not be 
proven to be equal between the two tubes.  The original plan to use normal AC 
or DC heating is accurate and would be better in my opinion.  It is easy to get 
accurate measurements of input power when a drive source such as a variac is 
used for the input, so why not use one or a pair?  Any temperature delta 
between identical devices with identical drive and environmental controls would 
indicate excess power was generated provided the temperature is elevated in the 
correct one. :-)

You would not be able to prove the exact value of COP, but at least you would 
know that it is greater than unity.

Dave

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jones Beene <[email protected]>
To: vortex-l <[email protected]>
Sent: Fri, Mar 20, 2015 10:17 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Am I the only one..


 
  
Vorticians,
  
 
  
Here is an inexpensive and rather visually impressive way for anyone to do an 
*additional* side-by-side comparison of two filed tubes.  The two filled 
comparison tubes are otherwise identical but one is loaded with a hydrogen 
source and the other is a control with no hydrogen. This can be done with NO 
need for power supply balancing --- and since this is a comparison sampling, 
instead of absolute measurement, an IR temperature gun will suffice to avoid 
the issue of thermocouple placement so long as hundred of data points are 
collected.
  
 
  
Caveat: since lithium could be the most active ingredient, with or without 
hydrogen, this comparison requires at least 4 permutations to make a thorough 
evaluation. This is a variation of a technique which Jack Cole and I were 
discussing. It is not meant to supplant calorimetry or thermometry - but to 
provide a second way to validate prior conclusions which were derived from 
either of those tests.
  
 
  
Start with an 1800 watt induction “hob” or hot plate - $70 from Amazon. 
  
http://www.amazon.com/Rosewill-1800-Watt-Induction-Stainless-RHAI-13001/dp/B00GTZMHOW/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1426860024&sr=8-2&keywords=induction+cooker
  
 
  
Use Kanthal windings on both tubes - of identical length and turns. Current is 
induced into the Kanthal wire by the hob. Then test the two samples in 
different orientations, but always side by side on the hob so as to eliminate 
the complaint that induction coupling is not the same  for both. 
  
 
  
This way the input power balancing is moot – assuming that both comparison tube 
have the same number of turns of Kanthal.
  
 
  
The importance is this: no one is satisfied with thermometry and no one is 
satisfied with some types of calorimetry, but if both of them are done and at 
the same time – side-by-side testing confirms the active tube always gets 
hotter than the control – then: what we have is an accumulation of tests, such 
that the weight of evidence – when all of these are in agreement is more than 
the sum of the individual test.
  
 
  
Jones
  



  
 
  
 
  
 
  
   
    
     
 
    
   
  
 

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