I share some vision.

note that UBI is not oposed to working...
UBI make people less afraid to take risk, and they make them always wanting
to work more to have more... but not at any cost in term of comfort.
people will work hard to have a nice leisure time, employing people who
will work hard for the leisure of others.

another point i always see forgotten is that people may earn money from
robots, like farmers earn money from land, land lord from real estate,
retired people from shares and securities;

society with less work (the cited paper says it will not be soon) will mean
people will earn their like through capital, maybe in the form of some UBI,
and some enterprise  and IP.

the evolution of career you imagine is not far from the one you see in
emerging countries, where younger people work hard , as independent
workers, as salarymen, then build some capital, buy a shop or a car or a
room, and work hard to manage them ... when getting older. until they let
someone manage them and retire earning just the dividends...

our concept of salary and company is very restrictive in western countries,
and led to the Marx vision of class war, with big centralized capital,
soviet-like organization of management, and helpess salarypeople needing
huge protection by strong state.

I urge people to read about third world capitalism of the poor
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hernando-de-soto/piketty-wrong-third-world_b_6751634.html
and how it breaks established discriminations
http://www.cato.org/publications/policy-analysis/capitalisms-assault-on-the-indian-caste-system

in http://thenextconvergence.com/ the book the next convergence, the
beginning explains how low growth and low technology progress led to rich
becomming slightly richer at the expense of the weaker, while during big
change, the dice are rolled agains, and rich people may miss the revolution
just being slightly richer in absolute value, far from the lucky/smart who
embraved the revolution...

today in the west conservatism benefit the rent owners, not only in
absolute value, but at the expense of others.


2015-08-05 16:55 GMT+02:00 Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net>:

> Adrian,
>
>
>
> I read your paper. It's very good. For a six page WORD doc it manages to
> cast significant light on the socio-economic complexities our society is in
> the process of inheriting such as advancing robotics, AI, and automation.
> The Vort Collective has been debating many of these issues for years.
>
>
>
> I retired last December. In a sense, I have now graduated to the status of
> a person who enjoys UBI via through the economic mechanisms of retirement
> annuities and social security. I'm a reasonably lucky citizen of the United
> States. I have acquired modest UBI allowing our household to pay the bills,
> feed our two cats and keep them entertained, and perhaps even take a budget
> vacation every other year. It distresses me that too many in our society
> aren't as lucky as our household has been. Being "lucky" should NOT be a
> major factor in how one hopes to live the remaining years of their lives
> with some dignity.
>
>
>
> With advanced automation, robotics and AI, it seems reasonable for me to
> predict that the retirement age will come earlier and earlier. Eventually
> we will stop calling it "retirement" when we start "retiring" in our mid
> 30s. Perhaps we will call it: "Reaching the Age of Maturity".  Before
> reaching "maturity" society may require us to choose from a selection of
> mandatory services we must perform in service to society. We may be
> required to do this service for perhaps up to 10 - 15 years, like joining
> the peace core, or building essential infrastructure like roads & bridges.
> This is to assure that essential infrastructure remains intact. Of course,
> during your years of mandatory service, you will be given UBI. However, in
> order to share in the collective wealth of the nation for the rest of your
> remaining years you must first give unto it according to your experience,
> unique skill sets and education.
>
>
>
> After one reaches "the age of Maturity" you are given permanent UBI status
> for the remaining years of your life. It is up to you to make the best of
> the rest of your remaining years. I remain optimistic that most will
> attempt to do just that. Start up a unique and eccentric business. Become a
> popular well sought-out artist or musician within your local community.
> Perform theoretical research in some obscure subject that eventually
> becomes a key component that helps explain how to fold space and make space
> travel between stars economically possible. RAISE A CHILD FROM INFANCY TO
> ADULTHOOD. If you don't think that isn't a full-time job! I think most of
> us will have a strong desire to leave our planet in a better place before
> we finally head for the recycling bin ourselves.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Steven Vincent Johnson
>
> OrionWorks.com
>
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