The vacuum may well be involved. When a meson is produced, a negative energy version of the meson must also be produced via a closed time loop. But this negative energy version(or anti particle) is sent back in time via the vacuum. This particle in the past must be discarded to preserve causality. So the vacuum act like a trash can to take care of the bad stuff produced by the LENR reaction.
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Bob Cook <[email protected]> wrote: > Fran and Jones-- > > Thanks for those explanations. > > However, I would bet that the US Patent Office would not agree with such > an invention, if zero point energy were mentioned. They would classify in > the same category as perpetual motion machines. > > Nevertheless, I understand from Fran’s comment that the positive kinetic > energy “motion” of virtual particles in the vacuum are harnessed to provide > potential energy to make heavy hydrogen, which in turn decays to a lower > energy state via real EM radiation. If the heavy hydrogen increased its > size by increasing the kinetic energy of its electron, it would be an > endothermic reaction I think and not what we are talking about. Is this > correct? > > The endless reversible reaction Fran suggested would not seem to entail > the release of EM radiation to heat the real surroundings, if energy is > conserved between the vacuum and the real surroundings in a reversible > reaction. > > One other thought/question considering this thread—what dense hydrogen > energy levels are involved in the reaction? The lowest energy state and > the highest one? or are there transitions between any of the dense hydrogen > states? If it were transitions between various energy states, one might > expect to see a spectrum of EM radiation from the Holmlid setup. > > Bob Cook > > *From:* Roarty, Francis X <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Thursday, October 29, 2015 12:08 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:Re: Casimir, ZPE and Holmlid > > > [snip] But in effect, if the hydrogen does not escape, the energy which > can be extracted by chemistry is endless (if the source is the quantum > vacuum).[/snip] which is why I tend to call it zero point energy since it > is effectively harnessing random motion to move the hydrogen between the > DCE regions that allow this endless chemical reversible reaction. Still > very similar to the original premise behind Lyne atomic furnace and the > MAHG.. > > > > *From:* Jones Beene [mailto:[email protected]] > *Sent:* Thursday, October 29, 2015 2:53 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Re: Casimir, ZPE and Holmlid > > > > *From:* Bob Cook > > Ø > > Ø Fran and Jones suggested that the source of the excess energy > described by Holmlid is of a chemical origin (electronic potential > chemical energy of dense hydrogen) and not nuclear potential energy long > ago stored in the reactants. > > > > First part of answer: The Dynamical Casimir Effect was first observed in > 2010. It is real, but that does not necessarily provide all the answers. > The following is paraphrased from various sources. > > > > The basic concept for LENR, is that the electronic chemical energy of > dense hydrogen, with mass-energy in the range of 630 eV per H atom, is > created by DCE. One way this can happen is when SPP interact with a Casimir > cavity or pit. The electron becomes delocalized and possibly relativistic. > > > > However, it is also demonstrated by Holmlid that dense hydrogen can > produce strong nuclear or sub-nuclear gain in other circumstances, aside > from chemistry. Whenever gamma radiation is seen in an experiment, it is a > good indication of the “other circumstances”. The DCE modality only applies > to gain from chemistry and electron manipulation. The soft x-rays are easy > to miss. > > > > One of the predictions of modern quantum theory is that the vacuum of > space is not empty. In fact, quantum theory predicts that it teems with > virtual particles foaming in and out of existence. While initially a > curiosity, it was quickly realized that vacuum fluctuations had measurable > consequences, for instance producing the Lamb shift and modifying the > magnetic moment for the electron… and in Casimir force. > > > > This type of renormalization due to vacuum fluctuations is now central to > our understanding of nature….From early on, it was believed that it might > be possible to more directly observe the virtual particles that compose the > quantum vacuum, or convert them to real particles. 40 years ago, Moore > suggested that a mirror undergoing relativistic motion could convert > virtual photons into directly observable real photons. This effect was > later named the dynamical Casimir effect (DCE)…. we have observed the DCE > experimentally for the first time in 2011…. In addition to observing the > creation of real photons, the discoverers found two-mode squeezing of the > emitted radiation, which is a signature of the quantum character of the > generation process. End of paraphrase. > > Ø > > Ø Is the assumption that the laser pre-conditioning of the materials in > the Holmlid setup allowed the increase in potential energy of the reactants > which then is later released as EM radiation and hence heat? > > > > Yes. Most likely there would be a multi-stage process where the laser (or > another light source) creates SPPs over time, which then interact with > hydrogen in a Casimir cavity of 2-12 nm in dimensions. As it turns out, > Shell 105 catalyst is extraordinarily nanoporous. Like a zeolite, but > ferromagnetic. Curiously, Holmlid fails to realize this porosity connection. > > > > The net effect is that the electron which once had ionization potential of > 13.6 eV in the ground state has been boosted to 630 eV of binding energy by > the DCE. This is an energy increase of about 46:1 per atom and it is > chemical. But in effect, if the hydrogen does not escape, the energy which > can be extracted by chemistry is endless (if the source is the quantum > vacuum). > > > > >
