It would also be interesting to retest on an outgassed lattice to see if the effect still occurs. Fractional ambient gases instead of hydrogen. Fran
From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 3:47 AM To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:[Vo] X-rays in LENR The is something special about the layered structure of graphite. I would follow that lead. On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:38 AM, Alain Sepeda <alain.sep...@gmail.com<mailto:alain.sep...@gmail.com>> wrote: Lou Pagnuco on LENR-Forum found an arxiv paper. do you think it have connection ? I see also connections with Hydroton's theory... http://arxiv.org/pdf/1512.08504v1.pdf "X-ray laser pulses from solids" ABSTRACT: In experiments on irradiation of metal surfaces by ions of keV energy, X-ray laser radiation was observed despite population inversion was unexpected. The radiation continued after the bombarding by ions was switched off. In this paper unusual properties of that X-ray radiation are analyzed. Anomalous states are formed inside the metal. These states are associated with narrow potential well created by the local reduction of zero point electromagnetic energy. This reminds the van der Waals potential well. States in the well are long-living which results in population inversion and the subsequent laser generation observed. The author speculates that LENR may be due to up-conversion of low energy quanta into nuclear excitations. Peter Hagelstein discusses the Karabut results in -- "Directional X-ray and gamma emission in experiments in condensed matter nuclear science" http://brillouinenergy.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Directional-X-ray-and-gamma-emission-in-experiments-in-condensed-matter-nuclear-science.pdf from: http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/2427-Re-examing-Karabut-s-anomalous-collimated-X-rays/ 2015-12-29 0:37 GMT+01:00 Eric Walker <eric.wal...@gmail.com<mailto:eric.wal...@gmail.com>>: Hi Bob, Your experience in the nuclear energy sector is no doubt relevant here. On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 5:19 PM, Bob Cook <frobertc...@hotmail.com<mailto:frobertc...@hotmail.com>> wrote: My experience is that any fast charged particles creates x-rays which would be observed and correlated with the ejection of electrons from the inner electron shells of atoms. X-rays have been observed on many occasions and have been correlated with excess heat. In addition, characteristic x-rays that go back to the ionization of inner shell electrons are of an energy that is readily attenuated by quartz, water and stainless steel, which means you have to take special steps to measure them. (Also, the x-rays are often collimated for some reason.) Also, if there are no fast neutrons, it is unlikely that one would expect to observe fast charged particles nor gammas, since they would likely be born from a nuclear transmutation. This is an expectation that goes back to a certain understanding of what's going on (i.e., it is partly a theoretical understanding). That begs the question -- what if something different is going in in this case? In addition, if the LENR reactions take place in a coherent system of significant size, the probability of the production of high kinetic energy particles may be low compared to the distribution of energy in many small amounts and/or directly as phonic energy of a lattice being part of a coherent system. This is another theoretical expectation. Some people, such as Peter Hagelstein and Mitchell Swartz, like explanations involving a coherent system of some kind. I personally find such approaches difficult to grasp in light of basic thermodynamical considerations.
