One problem of pebbles in a reactor is that they are not welded into place. 
Long-lived pebbles are hard to make stay in one place with pneumatic forces 
from He flow and thermal transitions, expansion from pebble internal pressures 
and other loadings in a reactor. They do not hold radioactive stuff as well as 
welded tubes of Zr. However, they are cheap and easy to make. 

I would not want one near me.

The X-energy web page notes that the design concept has been around since 1944. 
I think I know why it did not catch on. The only good thing about the suggested 
reactor design is that it is relatively small and probably can be contained 
within a good pressure vessel. 

Maintenance, refueling and decomissioning of a reactor plant could be a 
significant headache. Disposal of pebbles, particularly those that are broken, 
does not have a good conceptual design in hand. 

I would like to know where Axil got his information about the German population 
deciding to ban nuclear power—I do think it focused on pebble bed reactors. I 
think the safety of their large existing reactors, some with the same 
ill-design for fuel storage that caused the Fukushima reactor disaster to get 
way out of hand, was the primary cause of the decision.   

Bob Cook



From: Axil Axil 
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 11:11 AM
To: vortex-l 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:DoE Funds Two Advanced Nuclear Programs

Pebble bed reactors have many unresolved problems. A pebble bed reactor was the 
cause that persuaded the German population to ban nuclear power from that 
country.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Eric Walker <[email protected]> wrote:

  On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Bob Cook <[email protected]> wrote:


    X-Energy is a pebble bed reactor designer.

  As I read about pebble bed reactors, the approach seems fundamentally more 
sane than current reactor designs, which appear to have low tolerances for 
error and catastrophic failure modes.  Pebble bed reactors have few moving 
parts and assume high temperatures.

  The more complex a design, the more potential points of failure. I do not 
know how the NIF people thought that they could get inertial confinement fusion 
to work reliably by sending an enormous number of hohlraums through a 
high-energy laser. The approach does not sound dangerous, but it sounds like it 
would be hard to get everything properly tuned.  And, apparently, hard to build 
at a small scale in order to iterate on the design.

  If transmutations and fission are more than a trivial component of LENR, as I 
suspect they are in some cases, you could get all kinds of toxic elements that 
build up as a result, such as arsenic.  They may not have long-lived 
radioactivity, but lots of the byproducts would be poisonous. If this ends up 
being the case, there might be a way to control what elements are produced.

  Eric

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