Jones-- I have followed the discussion of the Orbo technology and have trouble swallowing the idea that the energy is coming from ZPE source. I still favor the ideas that have a clear balance of energy types—total energy—that I consider are different types of potential energy in our real 4-D system. I did learn about electrets from the Orbo discussions, but doubt that their “phantom” voltage is from the ZPE source. I find the discussion of the coupling between the spin form of energy in the nucleus and the electrons and the magnetic and electric fields in the patent informative informative. And it may be pertinent to a coupling mechanism active in LENR. I do not consider that the plasma conditions in the Icelandic/Swedish laser experiments labeled LENR are anything like the Pd or Ni condensed matter LENR, in that the plasma does not provide a coherent system to allow nature to manipulate the various potential energies. I consider a coherent system with its multiple routes for conserving angular momentum and distribution of spin energy in the small increments of one/integer quanta at a time is all-important in the feature of LENR that seems to eliminate high energy radiation. The plasma system is basically a 2 particle interaction akin to standard high energy physics models of interactions. Energy and linear momentum is handled in the “2-body” interactions, but conservation of angular momentum is not so easy where you do not have a method for mixing orbital angular momentum with intrinsic spin to the orbital option and its associated phonic kinetic energy. Bob Cook From: Jones Beene Sent: Monday, February 15, 2016 9:48 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]: Orbo power packs
Bob, Do you have any comment on the Burgener patent in the context of Orbo? There are anomalies in circuits which seem to turn up whenever batteries, supercaps and electrets are combined. This is a lure, and Steorn bit - but no one has pulled it off before in a long term device. I have a feeling that Steorn saw a real anomaly but jumped the gun on bringing it to market too soon. It goes back to having both types of charge carriers (electron and ionic) and both types of current (conduction current and displacement current), combined with a constant source of phantom voltage from the electret, and in the case of Burgener – both a ferroelectric and ferromagnetic juxtaposition. Even with the problems which have turned up, I am less skeptical than before that there is a real energy anomaly here. This does not mean that Steorn is capable of harnessing it, since they have demonstrated no level of high skill or acumen (other than in fundraising) so the door is still open for others with the proper skills. From: Bob Higgins It appears from the Steorn video description pointed to by Jones below that the the "power packs" behave as an unusual capacitor. The device appears to have separate charge and discharge modes. In charge mode the capacitor-like "power-packs" are "charged" from a high voltage source (2x9V battery with series 1Mohm resistor). While charging, the capacitance appears to be very low, call it Cc, and it doesn't take much Coulombic charge (not many electrons) to reach a voltage of, say 5V. Then the capacitor-like "power pack" is switched to a load. In discharge, the capacitance, Cd, appears to be much higher than Cc, allowing more Coulombic charge (more electrons) to be taken out before the device reaches its minimum discharge voltage. This is a quite unusual [classically impossible over-unity] device, which still may be related to an electret. It appears that the capacitor-like "power pack" elements are of "jelly roll" construction due to their cylindrical form factor. If the "power pack" devices truly work in this fashion, I can easily see how over-unity energy is delivered. Jones Beene wrote: Prototypes have been shown. Not sure of current status as there were legal disputes involved. Eye witnesses under NDA have seen it producing electrical power. There is a chance that “something like this” is involved in the Steorn device (to the extent that either device actually works over an extended period) but I doubt it - since Steorn doesn’t seem to work, firstly - and secondly doesn’t have a magnetic field. Here is an update: http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2016/02/new-video-reveals-ocube-components-describes-problems/
