This subject has been discussed before and no one has ever convinced the crowd that magnetic motors can run for very extended periods of time while actually performing measurable amounts of work. It is entirely possible to slowly degrade the permanent magnets as their fields are converted into other forms of energy which is what appears to be occurring within these motors.
If not energy stored within the permanent magnetic fields, what is the source of the load energy? No one has adequately answered that question as far as I am aware. I believe Mark spent a great deal of effort analyzing this subject and might want to offer his advice. Dave -----Original Message----- From: H Ucar <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Mon, Mar 14, 2016 3:46 pm Subject: [Vo]:Re: Declaration from Eindhoven University of Technology related to M. Yildiz magnet motor It is a complex situation for sure. It took 6 years for such an document to be publicly available. It is a first in the history for a device of apparently a perpetual machine of the first kind! The motor I observed running at the convention is a 5 kW design but only one of four of magnetic rows is populated said Yildiz. He said the earlier prototype demonstated in 2012 and 2014 was destroyed due centrifugal forces at over speed like 60000 RPM while testing it without load (remind me the fate of Roschin and Godin's generator). This one with 1/4 of magnets ran comfortably at 2280 RPM with negligible load for 3 hours until manually stopped. It appears the speed is not vary much with the load and tend to fluctuate by itself. Mr. Yildiz expected th speed will gradually increase to 4500 RPM but only icreased from 2200 to 2280 in this run. Motor surface temperature was 34 Centigrade, not much different from environment. I measured 37 degrees inside through a hole looking to the rotor. I can say the source of the energy is not thermal, assuming it would be cooler otherwise. Reliability can be a long term issue like loosening of screws which fix the magnets in place or metal ageing. In 2014, while examining the patent I thought bearings of rotor could be problematic if conventional steel bearings are used and they can not work well under strong magnetic field and can do short circuit the possible homopolar induction. At the convention I asked the bearing issue and he said he removed the bearings completely and the rotor is floating and kept in place with magnets very rigidly. That is magnetic bearing but even magnetic bearings needs mechanical stabilization on axis direction. I don't know he circumvented the Ernshaw theorem or not. I will not speculate on the working principle of the device but the Nd magnets are very strong and really high quality, said having strength of 15K Gauss which correspond to grade N52 - N54. With hundreds of magnets the stress created on rotor and and stator and in between can reach several tons. In the context of new physics, a tiny asymmetry exploited from this stress would provide enough torque. The main mechanical issue appears to keep magnets in place. I recall from an earlier conversation that plastic armatures used in eariler prototypes would subject to partial melting due by the heat produced by microscopic work there. Anyway these are engineering issues, not obstacle for observing the phenomenon. H Ucar Jones Beene wrote: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 06:05:29 -0700 It is not ignored. It is a complicated situation. There are NDAs. Like LENR, the technology works on occasion, but not reliably. From: H Ucar I did not expected that this issue would be totally ignored here. So reciprocally, don't blame acedemic community for their own ignorances.Sent from mobile ------ Original message------ From: H Ucar Date: Mon, Mar 14, 2016 12:34 To: [email protected]; Cc: Subject:Re: Declaration from Eindhoven University of Technology related to M. Yildiz magnet motor I did not expected that this issue would be totally ignored here. So reciprocally, don't blame acedemic community for their own ignorances. ------ Original message------ From: H Ucar Date: Sat, Mar 5, 2016 21:36 To: [email protected]; Cc: Subject:Declaration from Eindhoven University of Technology related to M. Yildiz magnet motor This is a serious achievement I think where TU/e wrote a declaration about Mumammer Yildiz magnet motor that state it runs and drives a load (without an input) and consists of plastic parts, magnets, fixing screws and a steel axis (shaft) and disks. https://plus.google.com/104472960710595563193/posts/4LMQV3TzmvM BTW, Mr. Yildiz has been at Istanbul Inventors Fair at 3-6 March 2016 where I visited his stand and witnessed starting of the motor, running about three hours and stopping it manually. In contrast to internet community, engineers, academicians, business men and institutional top people who visited him in my presence there were not skeptical at all. Actually the stand was quite ordinary and the motor is running in a corner quietly and boring and Mr. Yildiz explains that the motor runs with the 'magnetic energy'. It expected important disclosure in April 2016 H Ucar
