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http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg10973.html http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/search.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=SEARS&k eyword=leaf%20blower&sid=ISx20050308x0000388&displayTarget=searchresults http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/product.do?BV_UseBVCookie=Yes&vertical=LAWN&p id=07179496000 "Craftsman 25cc Gas Blower with Vacuum Kit ( $129.99) Sears item #07179496000 Mfr. model #358794960 205 mph/ 410 CFM. Great for cleaning the sidewalks and driveway. The vacuum kit lets you pick up and mulch leaves up to a 16 to 1 mulching reduction. The soft touch handle helps to dampen the vibration and gives a sturdier grip." Looks like Rick will be Surfing the Clouds over Honolulu this weekend. Fred > [Original Message] > From: Frederick Sparber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 1/17/2006 3:30:39 AM > Subject: RE: Dash Files for LENR Patent > > Frank. > > To answer a question with a question. > > What happens to the lift if you use a rotating disk or > blow air over a board with a gazillion holes (blind or through?) in it? > Will rotating your hemispherical spaghetti strainer (fixed plate seal on > bottom?) > add buoyancy lift to the Bernoulli lift? > Banned from the kitchen forever? :-) > > Fred > > > > [Original Message] > > From: Grimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Date: 1/16/2006 9:12:13 PM > > Subject: RE: Dash Files for LENR Patent > > > > At 08:09 pm 16/01/2006 -0700, you wrote: > > > > I wonder if anyone has ever optimised the Frisbee design > > by doing what Messerschmitt did with the Bf 109 wing, > > i.e. a completely empirical approach with a series of > > small changes and precise measurement of the effects - > > He deliberately made them too weak and saw which line > > of rivets popped first - a process of climbing up the > > efficiency slope to find the top of the hill. > > Of course, there's is no guarantee it's the highest hill. 8-( > > > > Frank > > > > > > > > >Good info, Rick. > > > > > >That might explain some of the reported "antigravity weight loss" of > motors. > > > > > >The 90 ft/sec perimeter velocity on a 12 inch disk at 1728 rpm is > interesting > > >to say the least, if it saw a thrust of about a pound in 0.785 square > feet. > > >Covering "the bottom with something non rotating" as you say, > > >is easy enough, I think. > > > > > >OTOH, a board mounted on a scale with the suction end of > > >a vacuum cleaner or leaf blower on one end and the blower > > >hose on the other setting up high velocity air flow, > > >might lead to an Aero-Hoverboard that you > > >can Surf the Clouds with on Saturdays. > > > > > >4' x 8 ' x 3" fiber glassed Styrofoam? > > > > > >Fred > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: Rick Monteverde > > >To: [email protected] > > >Sent: 1/16/2006 6:49:49 PM > > >Subject: RE: Dash Files for LENR Patent > > > > > > > > >Fred - > > > > > >Cover the bottom with something non-rotating. > > > > > >I built a small centrifuge a while back for casting small plastic parts > with thick resin, 1728rpm motor, disk 12" or so in diameter. The flat disk > (no skirt) was fully exposed above but was recessed into a box with the > motor underneath so the bottom was exposed to the inside of the closed box. > Lost about a pound of weight when run, which seemed like a lot for such a > small gizmo. > > > > > >I wonder how a freely rotating air-blocking disk mounted on an axle on > the underside of a frisbee would affect performance. Maybe try it on one > with no skirt - the 1-element flying Tesla turbine. Give it a little > counterspin before throwing. > > > > > >- R. > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Frederick Sparber [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:08 PM > > >To: [email protected] > > >Subject: RE: Dash Files for LENR Patent > > > > > > > > >Rick Monteverde wrote: > > > > > > " I bet that would work! Though simply spinning the disk would pull in > air over the surface due to dragging from the boundary layer (beta ether > again), so the added mechanical complexity of a blower isn't even > necessary. Yes, I think I'll call it the "Freely Rotating Intake Surface > Beta Ether Engine", or FRISBEE for short." > > > > > >Cool Rick. Too bad I didn't think of it. :-) > > > > > >OTOH if you spin just a disk without a skirt (inverted stock tanks have > > >a skirt) it will be symmetrical and cancel. > > > > > >Got a pie tin, mini motor and a digital scale? > > > > > >A long time ago before Frisbees, we used to toss the metal caps off > asphalt roofing > > >rolls impressive distances. But our dog knew better than catching them. > > > > > >Fred > > > > >
