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From: Horace Heffner

Final here means when all three clocks are brought back together.

 I have to wonder what the data actually looks like.

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I don't think anyone has mentioned this site:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/airtim.html

Thanks very much, Terry!

I notice that the number in my earlier post, in which I worked it out and concluded the difference should be about 400 nS, was about 40% higher than the kinematic value of 280 nS predicted by H-K. This is most likely because I assumed the trip would take place exactly on the equator and the planes would travel at uniform speed, while the planes didn't actually follow a great circle and actually traveled at a variety of speeds; the H-K prediction used the real path of the aircraft. (Either that or I blew the math somewhere.)

I also notice that the gravitational effects _were_ significant over the length of the trip. I had guessed that the gravitational component would be swamped by the kinematic component ... oh, well. Note, however, that the gravitational component of the "gap" is quite small: 35 nS, versus 280 nS for the kinematic component. I'm fairly sure that "gravitational" difference is entirely due to the two planes flying at different altitudes, actually.

By the way, the assertion I've made several times that the Sagnac gap is independent of the traveler's speed _assumes_ that the eastbound and westbound travelers go at exactly the same speed ... something which is difficult or impossible to arrange with real airplanes.


Terry
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