On Jan 23, 2006, at 5:44 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:




Horace Heffner wrote:

I don't think it is generally accepted an more that m=m0*gamma is a real effect. I definitely read that in some text.

I've also read that "m0*gamma" isn't "real" mass. I've also read that time dilation is not "real". Both statements, as written, are nonsensicle -- they are both meaningless.

To make them sensible statements you first must define "real".

Can you do that?

If you can, then you'll also be able to say definitively whether either of those effects is "real".

But if you can't define "real" then any question about whether something is "real" is meaningless.


Effects which are "real" are effects which can not be fully accounted for by retardation. The effects which remain when clocks are brought back together are therefore real. Any change in appearance, and that includes locally observed forces as well as images, that is brought back into balance upon return to the initial condition, is due to retardation effects, delays in the communication of conditions. Real effects are cumulative upon cyclical motion. Retardation effects do not accumulate upon cyclical motion.

Horace Heffner

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