Axil— You sound like a fear monger. I don’t think the Sun Cell makes muons.
Try heavy-heavy water (hydrino type water)or merely gastro intestinal blockage. That will get the attention of the old folks. Bob Cook Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jones Beene Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 7:16 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:RE: Gaslighting FWIW - the only strong evidence of muons in LENR comes from laser irradiation. (Holmlid, Winterberg) Laser irradiation produces so much more power in a short time frame than electrolysis, that the two are not comparable. Neither are related to biological transmutation (Kervran). It is a mistake to think that any of these are related. Thus both viewpoints expressed in this thread can be correct - cold fusion itself produces no muons, while laser irradiation of dense hydrogen does produce muons. The transmutation of oxygen to sulfur is different and goes back 150 years - well before Kervran in fact - see: http://bionutrient.org/library/reviews/biological-transmutations There is no evidence of muons in biological transmutation. Thus we have three very distinct classes of LENR already in this one situation, neglecting Ni-H and they all have significant proof: 1) biological (Kervran et al); 2) cold fusion (P&F); and 3) laser irradiation of dense hydrogen (Holmlid). I think it is a big mistake to try to explain these as being part of any single theory. However, there are connections between cold fusion of palladium/deuterium to nickel/hydrogen. Once a laser is employed however - all bets are off, even if the Letts/Cravens effect of low-powered lasers is closer to cold fusion than to Holmlid. Axil Axil wrote: Here is the link to the diagram that did not appear in the post above: https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2Fpages.csam.montclair.edu%2F%7Ekowalski%2Fcf%2F341fig1.jpg&key=y8LKL4Hf4Ud13sQke0JURw&w=600&h=296 The so called Erzion phenomenon was discovered in a series of electrolytic experiments marked by unexplained changes in a pool of cooling water outside of the catalytic cell. After 40 minutes of electrolytic cell operation, water on the tungsten anode side of the cooling vessel started losing its transparency. https://youtu.be/MymFcb9U1Ck Strange that in this experiment showing the production of sulfur, the activity was at the anode. Could the Erzion actually be muons? Water on the stainless steel cathode of the pool of cooling water remained transparent, at the same 40 C temperature. A sample of bubbly water, removed from the anode side, was tested for induced gamma radioactivity. No such radioactivity was found in it; the sample became transparent after 24 hours. Attempts to reproduce the long-term loss of cooling water transparency with other electrolytes, and under different electrical discharge conditions, were not successful. But the effect was highly reproducible when experimenting with the tungsten-anode electrolytic cell and the 7 M KF electrolyte containing 50% of heavy water. That cooling water on the outside of the electrolytic cell's glass reactor shell at the right side (see Figure 1) is close to the anode while cooling water on the left side is close to the cathode. The disappearance of bubbles, after the electrolysis, was very slow (half-life of about 10 hrs). Attempts to explain the phenomenon in terms of cavitation, and other ultrasonic effects, were not successful. The only satisfactory explanation was possible within the framework of the erzion model. Authors believe that bubbles are produced through the action of neutral Erzions. The Erzons phenomenon behavior is consistent with the magnetic based Exotic Neutral Particle(ENP). To begin with, the glass container is transparent to the magnetically based ENPs both optically and magnetically. The LENR reaction that keeps the ENPs viable produce the vapor that forms the water bubbles. The ENPs become energetically self sufficient in the water of the cooling pool where the ENPs remain viable for hours. If the Erzons phenomenon is produced by magnetically based ENPs, an iron plate placed just on the outside of the glass wall adjacent to the anode would prevent the ENPs from exiting the glass electrolytic cell. With the ENPs blocked from travel, bubble production would be eliminated. The Erzons could be some form of exotic hydrogen such as ultra dense hydrogen or maybe micro ball lightning. The hydrogen bubbles could be the product of a muon catalyzed reaction with water. Whatever is going on at the anode, it looks like it is happening in a reliable way. Experimenters might find some way to track this mischugenon process down. I for one would love to read about the detective process that makes the identification of this mischugenon process down in Russ's blog. Jed Rothwell wrote: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> wrote: When LENR really gets going full blast and gigawatts are generated in cars, trains, planes, boats, houses, everywhere in everything, the muon loading will get into the terawatt levels. Muons flowing down the streets will be so thick, you can cut them with a knife. And muons are a bitch to shield against. Cold fusion has been run at over 100 W for three months, continuously. I believe that if there were dangerous levels of muons, as you describe, they would have caused harm, and they would have been detected. There is no sign of them. People worked with these unshielded cells every day. So I expect you are wrong about this. No theorist has said anything about muons being produced by cold fusion in any paper I know of, and I know of all the papers. I have searched for the term "muon" and found nothing, other than the well-known 1989 discussions of muon-catalyzed fusion. - Jed
