Jones,
I wonder if you are confused by the rating of a CFL being 5000C. The argon in a CFL is not nearly completely ionized, it is a gas discharge, but not a full plasma. Being fully ionized is not necessary for the CLF gas, which is merely there to hold the mercury that emits the UV radiation that excites the visible light emitting phosphors on the inside of the tube. The mercury efficiently emits much of the power that is deposited by the electric current, which keeps the gas cool.

Considerable heat from the SunCell is likely judging from the need of dark glass to view it, particularly as the bulk of the power is above the visible limit. Whether it is excess heat depends on whether Mills, the independent verifiers, and the various audiences are telling the truth You assume they are liars or incompetent or the whole thing is a fraud, without any proof.

I prefer to wait and see without making dogmatic libelous charges. Rossi was right, people like you will never believe any experiment only the sale of working commercial units.

AA

On 3/26/2017 9:49 PM, Jones Beene wrote:
a.ashfield wrote:

...Supposedly the plasma is >3500C.
A plasma at 3500C is commonplace and found in every house - but almost meaningless in terms of energy content... yet typical of Mills' genius at deception. The plasma in a common 5 watt CFL can be >6000C. Electrons in a plasma can be very hot since there is almost no mass to heat. Yet it sounds impressive!
As it runs without any input power why do you not think it generates any (excess) heat?
No excess heat is likely but low range excess is possible. Do you understand capacitance? A few ultracaps will power a small CFL for 15 minutes with internal temps of 6,000C and thermal output in the few watt-hr range. There need be no input power to the circuit since the caps are charged at the outset.

Mills is the world expert at confusing gullible investors with meaningless combinations of inappropriate numbers. Rossi is less subtle. Mills favorite deception is conflating watts of power with watt-hrs of energy. And lest we forget, there was a picture of a prototype SunCell on the net a while back with distinctive blue Maxwell supercaps in the circuit, but that was before Mills restricted almost all relevant disclosure - so do not imagine that he is above the easy way to deceive.

Note: Mills could and probably does have excess energy, as this has been known/shown for a long time at low COP - but not enough to close the loop for an extended period. If he could close the loop, that would be the first thing he demonstrates. Same with Rossi. And everyone who matters would take notice!

Let's be clear -- Mills has not shown a system which will self-run for a week or even a day. A plasma running for an hour on ultracaps is YouTube teenage "gee-whiz" fodder.

Use your mind, man. You cannot assume total honesty when Mills/Rossi have built careers on misleading investors. The legal system is too slow to catch up with promoters who build scams on half-truths, usually.



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