If it exists it could be a major player in the quest for producing useful
energy from Hot or Cold Fusion..

Ah now this talks to me ;)

Thanks Fred for the explanations, I am afraid I am an ignoramus in particle
physics but I am willing to learn.

1/ What is the difference between (*e-) and Ps- exactly? They seem to be
both composed of a positron and two electrons, why should one be more
stable?

2/ Why should the mass of the Electronium be twice that of the electron and
not thrice (e- e+ e-)? I imagine the mass default corresponds to a binding
energy, but what kind of force would this be, surely not nuclear since we're
not talking about nucleons?

Michel

----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "vortex-l" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: Coby CX1 TV Modification for (*e-) Electronium Search


Michel Jullian wrote.

Tsss, watching TV too much and too close ;)

Nice experiment, even though I haven't understood what you were looking
for.

Valid question Michel.
About a year ago I proposed that Positronium formed by momentary coupling
of
a positron and electron rather than annihilating into a pair of 0.51 MeV
photons might couple
to an electron  from any atom and form a stable "Triad" (e- e+ e-) aka
Electronium or (*e-)
giving off 3 photons of about 170 KeV each (which might be mistaken for
3-photon
positron-electron annihilation and end as a stable/elusive particle with a
mass about
2+ that of "ordinary" electrons.

Since then I found that there is a lot going on in the area of research
into the recently observed
Positronium Ion Ps- giving pause for one to wonder if the proposed stable
(*e-) is being missed.


This experiment at the Max Planck Institute shows a setup for creating Ps-
and
use of germanium detector for looking at annihilation photons but doesn't
specify
their energy. Could the observed three-photon electron-positron
annihilation actually
be formation (the mass defect binding energy) of (*e-)?

If so electronium could be ubiquitous in nature, albeit in small numbers
wrt electrons

If it exists it could be a major player in the quest for producing useful
energy from Hot or Cold Fusion..

Fred

http://www.mpi-hd.mpg.de/ato/psminus/
"The object of our studies is one of these simple systems: the Positronium
negative ion. This exotic entity is a bound state of a positron and two
electrons. It is similar to the negative ion of hydrogen (H-). In fact, it
is the most simple three body problem imaginable. Its constituents are
pointlike particles (at least to the best of our knowledge) and there are
no pertubations due to strong interactions to be considered. There has
been quite a lot of theoretical activity around Ps- but there is not much
known experimentally. Only one experiment can be found in the literature:
A.P. Mills observed the Positronium negative ion experimentally and made a
first lifetime measurement. With an error of about 4% it is not
sufficiently precise to allow for a test a QED effects. A new measurement
of the lifetime with improved precision is the first objective of this
project."
"To measure the spectra a Germanium detector at the temperature of liquid
nitrogen detects the ? radiation from the decays of the positronium and
positronium ion."

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