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From: "thomas malloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2006 1:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: Joe Cell again
It amazes me, Kyle and Fred, that having read the Joe Cell file, you
missed the point, which is that the energy involved is orgone or chi. I've
never seen orgone work, so all I can say is build the cell and see if it
works. If it does than someone deserves a trip to Stockholm, but given the
resistance to it, don't hold your breath.
Hmmm.
"Orgone" and "Chi" don't really impress me much....its about as much word
salad at this point. Like ZPE and scalar, etc., someone took something that
might have some basis in fact, and attached some things to it...and then the
next person attached some things...ad infinatum. I wouldn't be suprised if
maybe there is some reality to "scalar" things, and probably zero-point
vacuum fluctuations, its possible. But there is so much "unformation" out
there that the situation is in a real mess. Orgone and Chi seem even more
out there. Can I build a device to detect/collect Orgone/Chi in a completely
"hands down, no doubt, this is really the real thing" kind of way? If not,
then I have my doubts. This should not be construed however to mean I am
saying they don't exist; I am saying "we do not know yet."
Reading on the Joe Cell I did find one rather disquieting note; that its
success/failure can depend strongly on the user. Quote, "Human presence can
affect the operation of the cell in a positive or negative way." I have
something of a problem with that, in that this can all too easily be used to
say of someone replicating this thing and finding that it does nothing, that
"his negative feelings made it not work." In my experience as an
experimenter, and there are those here that can vouch for me that I have
indeed been involved in physics and electronic engineering research for many
years, "negative feelings" can only affect the quality of what you are
working on. Lack of food or sleep can muddy ones mind, as can anger or a
long period of stress from something either internal or external to the
given research project. This can cause mistakes to be made in wiring,
design, or getting an incorrect idea on what is going on in a troublesome
setup. They do not affect the experiment or its results directly! In my
experience, the physics will stand or fall on its own, ones attitude does
not change things. (I am not here addressing self-delusion however, which is
something entirely different and to be guarded against for sure!)
Also a note that the engine will run with all spark plugs removed as long as
the coil and distributor are still functional. Doesn't this strike anyone as
a little...abnormal? Or should that be...unrealistic? The only time an
internal combustion engine will do this is if the valves are so covered in
carbon that the carbon continues the ignition process for a very short
period of time. It doesn't last for hours, or even minutes, mostly a few
seconds. It mostly only occurs with older carbureted engines, as they will
continue to supply gasoline as long as engine vacuum is provided...it is
almost unheard of in newer, computer controlled fuel-injected engines.
Hmm. If the water in the cell isn't consumed, what is running the engine?
What is the exhaust product? Plain air?
--Kyle
