On Sun, 27 Aug 2006, John Berry wrote: > Maybe you missed the part where they have useful patented security > technology? > Do you really think that running a scam is a good way to get your current > technology picked up? > And for that matter their careers as scientists and or designers would be > over.
Now THAT'S a good point. I was imagining a possible scam where either the money was big enough to be worth a sudden move to Brazil regardless of the cost to their careers... or it's a scame where they keep the game up forever, always taking in more investors, but always being on the verge of having an OU device to release. > > What have they put on the line? > > > Several useful technologies they bothered to Patent. > Their names. > Their Careers and business. Scams hinge on money, so the possibility of a scam is proportional to their efforts to attract large investors, minus the costs to themselves. If they've honestly said no to huge dollar amounts in the past, and are waiting for results of their challenge, then it's probably *not* a scam. > So you believe that it's already over, this isn't a part of the scam, the > scam is over this is just to keep the current investors off their back until > they can bother buying plane tickets? If "free energy" and "investors" are both relevant, then bzzzzzt!... assume that a scam is a real possibility. If there are plenty of unknowns involved (e.g. we don't know if they've already raked in large dollar amounts) then a scam is still possible unless we know better. I see it as a spectrum. For known honest inventors, the ends of the spectrum extend between "it's real" on one end, and "it's a mistake" on the other. Where the level of honesty is unknown, then add a second axis to the possibilities, going between "scam" versus "real-or-mistake." > But considering (I assume we both agree) that Free Energy is real we simply > have to consider which is more likely, that this is 1: Some people honestly > think they have FE but don't, 2: Some people honestly think they have FE and > they do, 3: An elaborate hoax to fool current investors into believing they > are going to get their monies worth. Lol! I wrote the earlier stuff before reading down to this point. As for FE, if it were fairly easy to accomplish, then we'd have had it for decades, perhaps centuries. I suspect that it's difficult, but also that anyone who is successful will almost automatically go down a path which silences the discovery. I think Jed's term was "own worst enemy syndrome." > 2 makes sense the only issue is that they are going about it in a way that > Jed, you and I think is not really sensible but it's not totally absurd it > has been effective advertisement and Mark Godles agrees with it so it's not > a method that couldn't be used by inventors of a genuine FE device. It *could* be entirely real. Until more information comes in, the true status is somewhere between "scam" and "genuine" and "measurement error" (on a 3-axis graph!) > I suppose this is possible but IMO this goes beyond reasonable suspicion. > I would have little sympathy for any investor who would invest in someone > that they can see is flatly lying to everyone but them. But that's a classic scammer strategy! Play to their ego, and just tell your rich victim that the general public doesn't have access to the secret investment opportunity being offered. > It is true that testing in the jury members own lab (and certainly in 12 of > them) in various countries the chance of some exotic power transmission is > so low as to fully discount, it appears from their statements the jury will > test it in their own labs independently and one thing seemed to indicate > they will construct or at least be able to construct the device under test > themselves. If they drop the secrecy and give over all info to the jury, then the probability of scam goes way down. > That's exactly what they said they are doing. I saw that they were going to have skeptics test their device. That's different than handing the devices over. (But I haven't read everything on their site yet.) (((((((((((((((((( ( ( ( ( (O) ) ) ) ) ))))))))))))))))))) William J. Beaty SCIENCE HOBBYIST website billb at amasci com http://amasci.com EE/programmer/sci-exhibits amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair Seattle, WA 425-222-5066 unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
