>>Can we assume that the temperature of the magnetized sample is >>always less than ambient?
That is correct and over a number of tests varied in the range of (-.5 to -1.6) C' below ambient. I did of course assure that this was just not a location anomaly. The last series was conducted in a fume hood with vents off. >>As for the white precipitate, which could be calcium leached from >>the beaker - this could be due to the extra "wetting" of a lower >>surface tension in the magnetized water. Magnetic fields lower the >>surface tensions of H2O by up to 8% according to Chaplin. Yes, after you mentioned this I looked back and indeed these beakers were used in some prior electrolysis work with electrolyte containing Boron. You may have answered the whole question "Poor Lab Work" Yet the temperature difference is my prime interest and must start with new glassware and will know by the weekend if indeed this is where it's coming from, then? -----Original Message----- From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 7:38 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]: Re: Magnetic effect on water ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Stiffler" > Repeatedly here is what I have found. The beaker within the > center of the ring magnet, does not reach equilibrium with > ambient temperature (yet the magnet itself does). The beaker > that is one meter away from the other setup, does reach > equilibrium with ambient. Can we assume that the temperature of the magnetized sample is always less than ambient? The implication would be that the magnet provides some extra "structure", and structure is generally indicative an anti-entropic ordering, so there is some energy withdrawn from ambient which is tied up in the ordering itself ? I say "extra" structure because liquid water has plenty of hidden structure already, but there is debate on what that structure consists of. Older textbooks used to say there is base-level hidden sea of tetrahedrons - little pyramids with triangular bases, formed when each water molecule connects to four others. The hexagon doesn't show until phase change. That old notion is likely incorrect, according to Martin Chaplin's fine web site on water and he goes into great detail about macro-structures. http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/ Here is his page on electric and magnetic effects of water: http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/magnetic.html As for the white precipitate, which could be calcium leached from the beaker - this could be due to the extra "wetting" of a lower surface tension in the magnetized water. Magnetic fields lower the surface tensions of H2O by up to 8% according to Chaplin. Jones
