On Wednesday 13 December 2006 15:54, Robin van Spaandonk wrote: > In reply to Standing Bear's message of Mon, 11 Dec 2006 22:01:44 -0500: > Hi, > [snip] > > >This is going to get like Chekhov's 'Cherry Orchard'. > > Probably. :) > > >Everybody is talking > >past each other for their own ends....or jobs. > >Water will be found and > >incontrovertably proved when it is brought back or sampled by us. Until > >then it is like 'bigfoot'. Or better like random intermittant phenomena > > not unlike a bad connection in equipment. Now you see it now you don't. > > I think it's highly likely, given the preponderance of hydrogen in the > universe, that there will be some hydrogen compounds found on Mars. Since > there is also ample chemically bound oxygen, the manufacture of water will > very likely be possible, if it doesn't already exist in one form or > another. I think there is good reason to believe that water ice exists in > considerable quantities, though water in the form of chemical hydrates in > the rock is also very possible and even probable. > However I'm not sure whether or not the temperature ever gets high enough > for liquid water. Surely the two little robots running around up there have > been recording the temperature, so that by now we should know the answer to > this? > > >Personally I lean to the idea that we are not unique in the universe, and > >physical laws governing us do so for others as well. > > Agreed. > > > Exo geoligical > >processes seem earthlike on not only Mars but Titan as well. Branching > >dendritic stream passagways seem the same everywhere no matter what > >the fluid, water or ethanol or methane transported. > > ...and very fine dust acts in exactly the same way, if the gradient is > steep enough. What would be much more interesting proof of a real liquid > would be a meandering river. IOW flow where the gradient is very small. > > >By the same token, > >organic material older than our central star was found in a meteorite > >uncontaminated by terrestrial sources. Life in all likelyhood is > > panspermaic by its very nature, and we are probably nothing special. All > > else is ego and religion or both. Personally I would be happy even if we > > just found simple single celled life in the deepest reaches of the > > martian deep equatorial canyons. > > If ET is really in the process of "Terra forming" Mars, then there is > likely to be quite a bit. ;) > > BTW has anyone considered the possibility that Earth itself may at one time > have been "Terra formed"? > > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk
Terraforming the planet, or maybe humanoidoforming US. Think of it! Every myth of every religion involves someone or something from 'the sky'. Why could'nt it? How would we know? If we did find out, how many among us would try to suppress the evidence so as not to upset the religious. How many would try to suppress the evidence while frantically searching for any technology the terraformers or alleged terraformers left behind. How may would suppress the evidence while copyrightin, trademarkin, and patentin everything they could lay there grimy putrid greedy RIAA and MPAA type paws on to get the very last dollar or euro out of it. Read some time ago that there is a lot of very stable and non coding DNA in every one of us. Michael Crichton recently wrote a novel about copyrightin and patentin people, then pursuing them for their DNA. The novel was for sale at our local Kroger store and is called "the next thing..." or something. Has a big 'bar code' printed on the front of the dust jacket. Suppose our 'humanoformers' put a message in it for us to find, and some grubby greedy 'business' types are busy trying to find out so they can exploit it. Think of it! We may all be walking around with our own 'Da Vinci' code locked up in every cell in our bodies! All those copies would be impossible to claim 'intellectual property' over unless some businessman wanted to exterminate us all so the 'secret will stay owned'. All those copies would preserve this information as long as even one human was alive. And these monopolists have the chutzpa to call ...anybody... their favorite invented word, 'pirates'. The knowledge is probably here. The knowledge is probably scary. Why else would governments everywhere cover it up and discredit all who dare refer to it? What are they afraid of such that honesty for them is an impossibility?....Unless the darker impulses of our imperfect nature as outlined in the first part of my reply are really governing the whole affair. Standing Bear ps..look at the hack job that was done on the mars face found by an earlier satellite on Mars.
