Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:

> 
> 
> Harry Veeder wrote:
>> Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
>> 
>>> This is not a paradox, and the "paradoxical" nature of the problem was
>>> in fact resolved something on the order of a century ago.  The traveling
>>> twin accelerates; the stay-at-home twin does not; thus, the symmetry is
>>> broken.
>> 
>> That works in SR, but the solution is inconsistent with GR.
> 
> Wrong.  In fact the full solution can only be had using techniques
> commonly considered to be part of GR.
> 
> Acceleration is acceleration, in either SR or GR.  In either case you
> integrate the path length, using the pseudo-Riemannian metric of
> Minkoski, in order to find the elapsed proper time of either twin, and
> in either case the path which includes the acceleration comes out "shorter".
> 
> A geodesic in GR is the longest distance between two points.

No, it is the shortest "distance" between two points on a spacetime
manifold.

> Acceleration pushes you off the geodesic, as a result of which you
> follow a shorter path.  If the two twins have worldlines which cross at
> two points, and if one accelerates while the other follows a geodesic,
> the one on the geodesic will "age" more.  That's straight out of GR ...
> or SR, take your pick.

In GR, acceleration due to gravity is treated as indistinguishable from
a manufactured acceleration.

> If both accelerate, then neither follows a geodesic and you need to know
> the details of the problem to determine who ages more (if either).
> 
> GR and SR only really differ when you introduce gravity, which doesn't
> enter into this problem.

You can't ignore gravity.
The raison d'ĂȘtre of GR is to explain gravity.
Ignore gravity and you are back in the flat spacetime of SR.

Harry


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