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From: "Michel Jullian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 9:06 PM
Subject: [Vo]: Re: Lifters
They work fine in a grounded metal cage in my experience. In the
experiments you describe it may be more a question of the LDPE stopping
the wind?
It depends on how far the cage is from the lifter electrodes. With no
dielectric shield, you can sometimes still get a significant thrust, as the
cage allows air to be blown nearly effortlessly out of the cage, moving the
whole contraption. The cage was mainly put around the LDPE shield to
eliminate (or at least strongly reduce) field interactions with nearby
objects and air exterior to the dielectric shield.
7. It is not just ion wind,
Balderdash :) It's as much ion wind as helicopters are propeller generated
wind.
Depends on what you call ion wind. If by ion wind, you mean electric wind,
corona wind, etc., such as is emitted from a point or knife-edge electrode,
then it is not just ion wind. If by ion wind you mean any wind generated by
the presence of the charge itself, electric field and shape thereof, etc.,
then yes, I agree, just ion wind.
They can be made to work in oil, by sucking and pushing the oil past the
electrodes. But again this is not reactionless/antigravity/what have you,
its a simple toy that needs a dielectric medium to work in. In space, this
thing is a real loser.
8. For posting these findings to several Yahoo groups, I have been
banned.
So was I :) Maybe also because I said what I thought about Naudin's
scientific skills one or two times :)
I never got quite that far, but I was flamed very heavily for what I said.
As far as the scientific skills of the lifter crowd....no comment....
First ion wind devices are much older than that, cf Bondar's site, but
admittedly they didn't fly (rotating nails this kind of stuff)
This is true, but the basic design of the lifter is so clearly Brown's
electrokinetic apparatus, just folded into a triangle. In my view, given the
experiments I have done, the lifter is nothing but a lightweight Ionic
Breeze air-mover. Just holding a candle or lit cigar around an operating
lifter is a very revealing thing.
--Kyle
