----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 2:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]: Lifters
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> If you think that the Lifter will work if it is surrounded by an enclosed 
> container with a gas inside it, to allow for ion circulation, but outside 
> the container is the vacuum of interstellar space, then explain why it 
> didn't produce thrust when I completely enclosed it in a large (but 
> lightweight) dielectric shield?

Right. BTW Kyle I only just understood what you meant by "no thrust when 
enclosed", you were talking about the whole system, not about the lifter per se 
as I initially thought! Same as Stephen's hens in the truck, the hens do fly 
but the truck doesn't get lighter (unless you drill holes in the truck's 
ceiling and floor of course :-)

> This is really getting ridiculous. Jean-Louis and everyone will parade 
> around any Joe Blow who puts together a lifter with some sandwich wrap and 
> matchsticks, and flies it from hacking into the guts of an old computer 
> monitor, but if anyone sets out to do some real, controlled science on this 
> thing and see what is actually going on....well, the rest is as they say, 
> history. Myself, Michel, Xavier, etc. have all been attacked in some form 
> for trying to do some real research into this and find out what is going on. 
> What we found wasn't what the Lifter people wanted to hear, so *obviously* 
> we just don't know what we are doing.

Indeed. It would be like insisting that a helicopter doesn't work by pushing 
itself against the air, it just doesn't make sense scientifically. But I guess 
it does make sense economically for the people who make a living on promoting 
the more mysterious hypotheses :)

Michel

P.S. If it can convince anyone that lifters are interesting but well understood 
technical objects rather than mystery stuff, I enclose a lifter engineering 
guide (27 kB pdf, it might just about make it to the list (40kB max total)), 
share and enjoy.

P.P.S. It hasn't gone through after an hour (in spite of OE telling me the 
whole message was only 39kB) so I am reposting this with a link instead (would 
have given it earlier but Blazelabs site was temporarily down), if anything was 
unclear do ask: http://blazelabs.com/Multiwire-plane.pdf


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