On Sun, 10 Jun 2007, Michel Jullian wrote:

> Bill,
>
> A friend just sent me this link:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpBxCnHU8Ao
> Beautiful video. The bumps at the beginning (threshold field presumably)
> may be relevant to your airthreads phenomenon.

Such bumps are known to arise with distilled de-ionized (DI)  water.  But
for tap water, there is no molecular alignment because the e-fields within
the water are zero when opposite ions are attracted to the surface,
serving as a conductive shield.

> Here the field is
> magnetic rather than electric and the fluid is magnetically polarized

I've played with a large quantity of ferrofluid.  The "spines" are very
similar to the spines seen when a magnet picks up quantities of iron
powder.  One huge blob of iron powder is unstable, and instead the blob
breaks into two spines which repel each other, then those break up as
well, ideally forming an array.  (Oddly enough, ferrofluid forms square
arrays of spines, rather than hexagonal close-packing.)

> (ferromagnetic fluid, contains tiny magnetic dipoles) rather than
> electrically polarized (water molecules are tiny electric dipoles) but a
> similar goose bumping phenomenon could be expected in your experiment,
> although obviously on a smaller scale as otherwise the bumps would have
> been visible.


> Wrt the hollow you unambiguously observed by laser
> reflection, might it have been a "valley" between several bumps or the
> inside of a volcano-like structure?

I guess I wasn't clear enough.    When a relatively huge flow of "electric
wind" blows from a metal needle, it blasts a huge hole in the mist layer
(many cm diameter) with lots of easily observed turbulent stirring of the
fog.  And at the
same time, it pushes a valley into the water.   This is not the "air
threads" or filaments I observed.  Instead it's a high-current phenomenon
on the scale of microamps or hundreds of nanoamps.  It only appears when
a metal needle is held appx 10cm from the water surface.

The "air threads" or fibers which create mm-wide holes in the fog... those
don't create any easily-detected changes in the water surface.  These
"threads" are created by holding a sharp, high-resistance non-metal object
appx 30cm from the water surface.  I used carbon fibers, torn paper edges,
and human hairs (especially eyelashes) to create the thread-like
phenomena.  I only conducted a brief test when looking for water surface
deflections.  Perhaps an experiment more carefully performed than my own
will detect a pimple or a valley.



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