Change from 'Hydrogen Outlook' thread. Horace;
Your conceptual diagram;
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R1 C1
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R2 C2 R4 C4
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R3 C3
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Look at the data obtained in a complete test run and see how it fits your
thoughts, looks like there is the missing generation section that will
account for the charging of Vc.
Start (Run 20070812-3) CREC
For test points refer to www.stifflerscientific.com/images/cre_sc.jpg
Readings taken with digital o-scope. True RMS is calculated by scope via a
40mhz integration.
Conditions:
Vs (supply voltage) = 12.0
Vc (charging battery) = 12.72
Pin = **grounded
Ra(V) = 0
Rb(V) = 0
Rc(V) = 0
Rm(v) = 0
C1(V) = 11.66
V (a->b) = 0.818
V (a->c) = 0.176
V (b->c) = -0.620
....
Vs (supply voltage) = 12.0
Vc (charging battery) = 12.72
Pin = **12 VDC
Ra(V) = 0.0021
Rb(V) = 0.0007
Rc(V) = 0.0
Rm(v) = 0.0006
C1(V) = 23.72
V (a->b) = 1.093
V (a->c) = 0.420
V (b->c) = -0.632
....
Vs (supply voltage) = 12.0
Vc (charging battery) = 12.72
Pin = **71Hz, 50% duty cycle
Ra(V) = 0.835 max
= -0.032 min
= 0.385 Vrms ac (True)
= 0.433 DC
Rb(V) = 0.835 max
= -0.899 min (chg current)
= 0.771 Vrms ac (True)
= 0.000 DC
Rc(V) = 0.787 max
= -0.032 min
= 0.369 Vrms ac (True)
= 0.401 DC
Rm(V) = 0.787 max
= -0.867 min
= 0.755 Vrms ac (True)
= 0.080 DC
C1(V) = 18.95 max
= 18.32 min
= 0.000 Vrms ac (True) *Note(1)
= 18.95 DC
V (a->b) = 1.028 max
= -1.012 min
= 0.979 Vrms ac (True)
= 0.032 DC
V (a->c) = -3.72 max
= -4.11 min
= 0.00 Vrms ac (True) *Note(1)
= -4.98 DC
V (b->c) = 6.81 max
= 0.96 min
= 2.76 Vrms ac (True)
= 3.79 DC
*Note(1): These readings are not correct with DC coupling, AC coupled a 18.8
mhz oscillation is detected at these points. This condition is still under
study.
Now for the funny equation that has so often by me been mis-stated and was
posted to vortex as;
Eg = (Vs * Is) - (( Is * Na * ec ) / f)
Eg - energy gain
Vs - source or supply voltage
Is - supply current (amps)
Na -Avogadro's number
ec - Electron charge
f - pulse freq. 50% duty cycle
I will be adding the correct form to the CRE page soon, what was shown was
not complete and ec should have been C (coulombs/sec), that was one of my
goofs.
>From the above data it should be easy to see how battery Vc is being charged
during the cell operation.
