----- Original Message ----- 
From: Robin van Spaandonk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Date: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 4:38 pm 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Another SMOT Test 

> In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Tue, 8 Jan 2008 07:39:31 - 
> 0500:Hi, 
> [snip] 
> >I don't follow you. The presence of the magnets changes the 
momentum 
> >of the ball regardless of the initial PE as long as it does not 
> >change. 
> [snip] 
> That's just the problem. The initial PE does change, because it 
> doesn't only 
> comprise the gravitational PE due to the height of the track, but 
> also the 
> magnetic PE between the magnets and the ball itself. IOW the ball 
> can "feel" the 
> magnets even at the starting position. That may mean that you have 
> to do a 
> little more work with your hand to place the ball on the track 
> when the magnets 
> are present than when they are not, 
> or you may need to push the 
> all a fraction 
> harder to get it to start rolling down the track. The latter can 
> easily be 
> eliminated by making the track slope down at the start, and using 
> a barrier to 
> hold the ball in place. Removing the barrier would not add energy 
> to the ball. 
> However that still doesn't solve the first problem. The only way I 
> can see 
> around that is to make the whole track a closed loop. 

The initial magnetic force on the ball could be made neglible by 
lengthing the track between the magnets and the release point.

Harry

> The problem is thus that the work you do with your hand doesn't 
> get measured. 
> BTW still on the topic of magnet motors, the video that was posted 
> recentlymatches the description I saw in a magazine (I think) 
> years ago of a magnetic 
> generator that was supposed to have been used by the US Army in 
> Vietnam. It also 
> comprised two magnetic discs making contact at the rim, but the 
> axes were not 
> quite parallel, and the discs were about the same size. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Robin van Spaandonk 
> 
> The shrub is a plant. 
> 

Harry

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