In reply to Horace Heffner's message of Sat, 12 Jan 2008 00:37:38 -0900: Hi, [snip] >> No, as potential energy is converted into kinetic energy, the >> velocity increases >> (while the radius decreases), which according to Einstein should >> result in a >> mass increase as the speed of light is approached, something which >> I *think* >> Mills tends to sweep under the rug a bit (or perhaps I haven't >> studied his work >> closely enough). In my own version of his theory, this is >> explicitly taken into >> account. I.e. the total change in energy of the system is properly >> accounted for >> (including change in mass) > > >I only have a brief time to respond so I'll extract just this portion >for now. > >I think you misunderstand my point.
That's quite possible. >As the orbital shrinks, at some >point the velocity becomes very near c. It can't appreciably increase >any more. The radius can't shrink any more. Granted. >At this point the mass >goes up significantly with incremental kinetic energy, yet the >velocity remains constant, i.e. bounded by c, so the radius must >*increase* due to the increased mass and thus centrifugal force, not >decrease. At this point there is thus no more energy to be had from >orbital shrinkage. In other words shrinkage stops rather than expand the orbital. This is effectively a mass total minimum, and it's the point reached in my version where p=125. Mills reaches this point when p=137. IOW as much mass has been converted to energy as is possible. > >For a first cut approximation to an energy neutral (binding energy >about equal to gained kinetic energy, thus no borrowed energy >required to make state feasible) relativistic orbital, a possible >candidate for a deflated state hydrogen, see: > >http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/FusionSpreadDualRel.pdf You can find an exact calculation on my web page at http://users.bigpond.net.au/rvanspaa/New-hydrogen.html though you may not agree with all my assumptions. (Some of the difference in our calculations may result from the fact that I make the assumption that energy released to the environment during shrinkage comes at the expense of the total mass of the atom). > >which involves an electron gamma over 10,000 and speed of 2.99792e+8 >m/s. The electron and deuteron in this instance have about the same >mass and orbit each other. The huge binding energy comes almost >entirely from magnetic binding. > >Horace Heffner >http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ > > Regards, Robin van Spaandonk The shrub is a plant.
