thomas malloy wrote:
Edmund Storms wrote:
. Regardless of the difficulty in accepting the claims and
observations, when thousands of people keep experiencing the same
reproducible events, something real must be happening. I don't want
this to be a discussion of Sai Baba. Nevertheless, his existence
raises some important questions about how we evaluate reality. Since
we are discussing reality and how to separate the real from the
imagined, we must evaluate such phenomenon by
Sai Baba is an interesting person. I met a man who was healed by him.
Worn out knees are difficult to fix, and expensive to replace.
Materializing gold is quite a trick too. It would be interesting to do
an analysis of that ash that he materalizes.
Indeed, I suggest he is more than interesting, Thomas. Every once in
awhile a person comes along who has such unusual abilities that the
whole fabric of conventional reality is brought into question. This, I
believe, is what Sai Baba has done. He makes claims about how the spirit
reality works and does things that are impossible without his claims
being true. In fact, he readily admits, this is exactly what his
"tricks" are intended to do. In his case, what appears to be magic
actually occurs, as many people have clearly seen. Consequently, his
existence is unique and needs to be examined beyond the claims and logic
of religion. As he says, he is the messenger who comes from the spirit
world about every 2000 years to clean up the mess mankind has made of
the last message. This is a claim worth exploring without imposing any
religious connotations.
As for the "ash" and objects he materializes, these have been examined
closely by scientists in India, as you might expect. Also, you can
forget the arguments advanced by the usual skeptics because his
abilities have been examined very closely in India by experts and
thousands of people on many occasions. Apparently, the objects he
materializes are "normal" and seem to have been transported from where
they are made by the usual methods into his hand where they become
visible. Of course, the process violates our ideas of space and time.
The "ash" is a water soluble organic material similar to solid honey
that is observed to form about a centimeter below his outstretched palm
in quantities that are observed on occasion to reach many hundreds of
pounds. It is also been observed that the material forms spontaneously
in the homes of certain people in India. Of course, all of this has to
be accepted from the testimony of people who have witnessed the events,
of which there are many thousand in India. And of course, some of the
events will be exaggerated. This does not change the fact that such a
person with very unusual abilities exists at the present time. At last
count, I found at least 150 books about him available on www.amazon.com.
Ed
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