Rick Monteverde wrote:

>> environmentalists have no influence over oil companies.

You're making a joke here, right?

I meant during the Bush administration.


 Then who was it behind implementing all
our laws reflecting environmental concerns re pipelines & transport,
available drilling locations offshore and otherwise, refinery locations,
construction and modification permits, refined fuel formulas, "Global
Warming" etc. etc.?

Richard Nixon, at first. He did an excellent job on the environment.

These laws were written because the public at large demanded them. Environmentalists alone do not have clout. The laws were written with the advice and consent of the fossil fuels industry. They have had much more input than environmentalists.

No responsible fossil fuel industry experts or decision-makers disagree with these laws. The laws have no impact whatever on the supply of oil, any more than pure food and drug acts have limited our supply of food. The US does not need additional refinery capacity because US oil consumption has hardly increased since the 1970s. The only reason oil is becoming more expensive is because US wells are tapped out, our production has plummeted from 9.64 bbl/day 5.82, worldwide production has peaked, and worldwide demand has increased.

Not only is this not the fault of environmentalists, but on the contrary, if policymakers and the auto industry had listened to environmentalists, the US would be using fuel-efficient cars and we would be exporting oil.


Maybe it was the oil companies themselves so they could run the price up due
to artificially constrained supply because of "environmental concerns"

There are no artificial constraints. Of course gasoline costs more because environmental protection laws are enforced, but that does not limit supplies of gasoline. Actually, it cost less overall because environmental laws reduce illness and other costs borne by the general public.

Your assertion that environmentalists caused shortages and problems in the oil industry reminds me of the assertion made by the dairy industry in 1915 that doctors who insist on pasteurization drive up the cost of milk and cause artificial shortages and high prices for milk. The dairy industry did not realize that an industry which kills its customers and frightens the public does not have a future. Killing people and poisoning the environment in ways that can easily be prevented at a modest cost is bad for public relations, to say the least. Any industry with a milligram of enlightened self-interest will stop doing things like that!

- Jed

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