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Can't be bothered to argue this one out. BORE! -----Original Message----- From: leaking pen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 September 2008 23:48 To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Here comes $500 oil" Becuase again, the poor have land to grow their own vegetables, money to buy seeds equipment and fertilizer, or TIME to do more excercising, or buy fish (more expensive by the pound than any other protein. Really, are you just trolling, or are you really that arrogant, pretentious, and ignorant? On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 2:52 PM, Remi Cornwall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why should I care about how people eat? I'm not losing any sleep over how > the poor budget. Between the choice of giving a good meal for a day to 1 > million poor or buying a $million dollar strad for a young violin virtuoso I > would do the latter. > > Hand wringing over the poor won't get you to heaven as it doesn't exist. > > Ever seen 'Eastenders' or other British soap operas? No, me neither I don't > give a sh.t > > There's nothing wrong with meat either in moderation 2-3 times a week. I eat > mainly oily fish then do 4-8K on the rowing machine everyday, 20 sets x 3 > pressups, 15 x 3 sets pull ups, 70-100 ab crunches, various free weights and > then may be cycle or swim for a change on Sunday. > > Gym membership is dirt cheap as is buying a pair of running shoes. Veg and > tinned mackerel are really cheap too. Of course you can 'dig for victory' > and grow your own veg too in an allotment. > > Of course burning less heating oil burns calories too. > > -----Original Message----- > From: leaking pen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 22 September 2008 22:27 > To: vortex-l@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: [Vo]:"Here comes $500 oil" > > The issue in large part is just that, processing. Most people at or > under the poverty line here in Phoenix live in a place that has a > refrigerator, and MAYBE a stove top, no oven. A mircowave, as those > are pretty cheap, and quick. Food processor, blender? Things like > that to prepare food are expensive, and worse, TIME CONSUMING. If > you're working two 40 a week jobs, you barely have time to SLEEP, let > alone prepare a meal. And you don't have a spouse staying at home > prepping one, they work two, just to pay for everything. > > So what are you left with? Preproccessed, already prepared food, and > fast food. Which is to say, foods high in high fructose corn syrup and > hydrogenated oils and proccessed fats. Unhealty. The cost of the > food be damned, its the TIME cost of eating healthy. (You're also > ignoring demand and volume, and the change on price and cost through > that, tied into marketing) > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> >> leaking pen wrote: >>> The obese problem will go away? No. A good portion of the obesity >>> problem in the us is becuase cheap food is unhealthy food. Its not >>> just overeating, its that some people can only afford crap to eat. >> >> And here is an irony, indeed an incomprehensible situation -- >> incomprehensible, that is, if you ignore the government subsidies and >> taxes which have led to this situation. >> >> To wit, a vegan diet is *far* less energy and resource intensive than a >> meat-based diet, and it's generally healthier. It's absurd to say that, >> globally, people "can't afford" to eat healthy food; in fact it's the >> other way around: As a species we can't afford to eat as unhealthfully >> as we have been eating (at least in the U.S., Canada, and Europe). We >> just don't have the resources to support such a diet across the whole > globe. >> >> The trouble is the free markets aren't all that free and prices are >> extremely distorted by a range of factors. McDonald's beef, from steers >> fed on and corn and soybeans and fish (yes, fish), should *not* be >> cheaper than a mess of potage made from the corn and soybeans, with the >> rare and expensive fish left out. Yet, it certainly appears to be. >> >> Post processing vegetable food by running it through a cow is not an >> efficient way to prepare it for market, and it sure shouldn't make the >> end result *cheaper*. >> >> Dig far enough into the tax structure, grazing subsidies, transportation >> subsidies, water subsidies, and I think you'll eventually dig out the >> answer to this conundrum, but I don't think the explanation is simple. >> >> > > > >
