[Vo]:Fwd: Re: Failure to replicate means failure to replicate

[Steven Krivit]

It's been two days and Scott Little has failed to respond to my last 
message. Very unusual. I sent it again. Perhaps the first message didn't go 
through.

Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 12:19:58 -0800
To: "little-earthtech.org" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "marissa-earthtech.org" 
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From: Steven Krivit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fwd: Re: Failure to replicate means failure to replicate

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:39:19 -0800
To: "Scott Little" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "marissa-earthtech.org" 
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From: Steven Krivit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Failure to replicate means failure to replicate

Dear Marissa and Scott Little,

If you failed to "verify," then you must have failed to follow their 
precise instructions correctly and/or interfered with the cell in an 
obvious or nonobvious way and/or or skewed your analysis - because his 
experiment has been replicated around the world and witnessed by numerous 
people in Cambridge in 2003 with a simple, direct, isoperibolic 
calorimetric method.

Steven B. Krivit
Editor, New Energy Times


At 08:58 PM 9/30/2008, Scott Little wrote:
In this relatively unusual case, Steve, "verify" is the correct term.

<http://dictionary.reference.com/help/luna.html>Dictionary.com 
Unabridged (v 1.1) -
ver·i·fy       / v r fa /
–verb (used with object), -fied, -fy·ing.
1. to prove the truth of, as by evidence or testimony; confirm; 
substantiate: Events verified his prediction.
2. to ascertain the truth or correctness of, as by examination, 
research, or comparison: to verify a spelling.

Dash and Zhang brought their cell to our lab and specified precisely how 
to operate it.  All we did, at least initially, was to use our 
calorimeter to measure their cell's power balance.   In other words, we 
were just trying to verify their claim that their cell produced excess heat.

Contrast this with the more common situation in which we receive 
information (via papers, direct contact, etc.) about an experiment and 
then proceed to construct our own version of the experiment, as in your 
Galileo project.  That is a "replication" effort.

Scott

----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Steven Krivit
To: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>marissa-earthtech.org ; 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>little-earthtech.org ; 
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>puthoff-earthtech.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 11:47 PM
Subject: Failure to replicate means failure to replicate

Dear Marissa and Scott Little,
I am sure that you do excellent work at Earthtech and you are making 
contributions to the CMNS field.
However, I wish to point out to you that failure to replicate means 
failure to replicate, nothing more.
Your statement in the CMNS list about your attempt to verify John Dash's 
excess heat result is misleading and unscientific.
You cannot verify Dash's claims, or for that matter anybody's claims. 
That would be a misrepresentation; you can only attempt to replicate, 
and you will, or will not have success in your attempt.
The next time you purport to "verify" anybody's claim, I suggest instead 
that you use the phrase "effort to replicate the claim."
Thank you,
Steven B. Krivit
Editor, New Energy Times

From: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Marissa Little
To: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 5:10 PM
Subject: CMNS: EarthTech's Dash-Zhang experiment
Thanks to John’s recent reminder, we’ve finally completed the report of 
our effort to verify the excess heat claims of John Dash and Wu-shou Zhang.