Dear Hal;

This ia really interesting post. I've previously mentioned my interest in torsion field physics. Jones hits the nail squarely on the head when he uses the word pseudoscience. I ordered a copy of Dan Davidson's Shape Power, it's getting cold here in the great northwest. The bottom line is does his design get hot, eh?

Jones Beene wrote:

There is an evolving theory, more like an evolving semanics, of what aether "is".
Lets begin with ZPE and its main proponent. Puthoff, without necessarily endorsing an aether by 
name, has said that there is a "dynamic equilibrium" (the ZPF) which stabilizes the 
electron in a set ground-state orbit. "It seems that the very stability of matter itself 
appears to depend on an underlying sea of electromagnetic zero-point energy."  
http://ldolphin.org/zpe.html

What are the objections of starting from this end and defining the aether as  "ZPF plus" - IOW aether is the Dirac/Hotson epo field [by 
definition] in which the base level of energy "bleed-over" into higher dimensions, is defined as ZPE. And furthermore, one can integrate 
"gravity" as it operates on the higher dimensions without the need for another "force". IOW there is no "gravity" and 
the "graviton" is merely an abstraction of statistical groups of epos. When these are asymmetric, as they often are, there is an 
"attraction" but it is based on geometry not a force.

In fluid mechanics, the so-called "cheerio effect" is the tendency for small floating 
objects to attract one another - and this is tied to a geometric asymmetry in surface tension and 
buoyancy which becomes self-reinforcing. IOW this kind of attraction, which is on the same order of 
intensity as gravity, and can serve as a model for it (if one can abstract it to higher dimensions) 
is tied to *geometry* and not to a separate kind of "force" per se.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheerio_effect

Under Einstein's reconception (or alternative view) of gravity, there is no 
"force" of gravity; instead, the curved paths that falling objects 'appear' to 
take are an illusion brought on by our inability to perceive the underlying curvature of 
the space. The objects themselves are said to be moving in straight lines in a hidden 
dimension. But that tends to isolate them from mutual interaction. Or at least it makes 
it infinitely complicated.

If there is a hidden structure - the aether of epos, and if it is very dense at the same 
time - then voila: it can provide the required curvature in an unusual way, based on its 
own geometric properties. If Einstein's gravity is a curvature of space-time, not a force 
- then any secondary "attraction" on that curved surface can be explained as a 
superset version of the cheerio effect - an asymmetric geometric effect based on surface 
interactions. Does this help or hurt the Einstein revisualization, in consort with this 
new kind of aether?

The "Einstein-aether theory" is different from this, and even if were more similar - it too is as controversial as anything 
with his name on it can be. It is described as a covariant generalization of general relativity which describes a spacetime endowed 
with both a metric and a unit "timelike" vector field. In effect, it is "like" a subject which we cannot adequately 
define anyway <g> (except in terms of perception). Lots of geek humor there, but anyway - such theory has a "preferred 
reference frame," and so is not Lorentz invariant. BTW - that "preferred reference frame" could be a single dimension if 
there happened to be eight of them to begin with.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein-aether_theory

Then there is LQG. Is it coming to the rescue or not? Loop quantum gravity is a 
quantization of a  Lagrangian field theory, equivalent to the usual Einstein-Cartan 
theory in that it leads to the same equations of motion describing general relativity 
with torsion. As such, it can be argued that LQG respects local Lorentz invariance. It is 
not clear if torsion is the "timelike" field of Einstein-aether - or not - as 
by the time torsion arrived, there was already enough controversy in the mix to turn 
things over to the next generation of theorists.

Almost everyone in 'alternative energy' likes the idea of torsion. This is not 
necessarily because it is still classified as pseudoscience, and most of us are 
contrarian to the core, but because it may provide a fundamental mechanism to transfer 
some of whatever is "in" the aether, out of the aether, as a power source. The 
fact that epos may have charge, torsion, density, curvature and gravity as inherent 
properties makes it all very facile to fit into somebody's evolving electrogravity 
theory, only problem is: there are becoming so many permutations of these ToE's ; not to 
mention Lisi's E8, that it boggles the mind.

Wouldn't it be nice and orderly to find that the base level dimension of the E8 corresponds to this 
kind of epo field and that everything else builds on top of that? ... and if that is not crazy 
enough- how about "time" and "torsion" being interconnected? ... which is the 
superset?

Jones


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