Mike and all, Yes it is a really fascinating discussion for all the usual reasons, some of them science.
We've got a future energy group at university which is damn rigorous, full of good people, attached to other great departments and universities YET amazingly open minded and tolerant if you obey the house rules: if you are junior you get everything checked over by your betters before using the name of the institution and listen to advice. As I've said on this list I saw a lecturer/research fellow stand up in a seminar in front of the head of ITER (hot fusion in Europe) and mention CF. I thought this would be career suicide. It's a rocky road to acceptance but the old conspiracy theories can wear thin, just like a person were always to say "it 'cos I'm a member of this <substitute> minority they're got it in for me". It might work a few times then it will piss people off. That Mills Treatise/grand thesis, like a novel I'd expect to get hooked if it knew how to tease me from page to page: 1) The data: unequivocal data for excess heat production. The hard ball nuts and bolts engineering and design calculations that reliably makes your apparatus. GENERALLY ACCEPTED FACT. 2) HYDRINOS, we got some! Some *measured* properties of Hydrinos, an equation of state, density measurements, emission data, diffraction/crystallography data, reaction kinetics data, calorimetry, specs, mass measurement more more more WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH 60 MILLION DOLLARS! 3) Taking the stuff further: anomalous astronomical data NOBODY KNEW WHAT THAT EMISSION LINE WAS AT 54eV for years. 4) Then you start laying on the treatise and telling everyone they are wrong. However if it's like this: Chapter 1) You're all wrong. I ain't got much data yet but trust me. Unlearn everything (logic, simple arithmetic too). I've got nothing that's generally accepted but here's my GUT. Chapter 2) Here's more GUT. I guess that that smart productive band of people 20s to 50 who are good senior fellows, post docs, PhDs, MScs, final year students, won't even bother with it. Your jobbing research fellow going along to seminars will leave a seminar PDQ. There are similarities to getting research out and election hustings - there's a lot of emotion over reason. So what are left to think? Crank science, charismatic/loopy leader, flawed science, acolyte troops of hangers on to the funding money (hey, nice offices, nice logos) Or they had something but the leader got a bit cranky? Keep a distance. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Carrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 26 October 2008 01:43 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Vo]:Banking on BLP? Remi, Thanks for the calibration and apologies for any apparent condescension. I'm retired afer 38 years as a senior systems engineer for RCA, bridging between the research world and the production world. Regards, Mike Carrell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Remi Cornwall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 6:30 PM Subject: RE: [Vo]:Banking on BLP? > It's alright Mike I am a seasoned researcher, engineer, been in industry, > know the ropes, have some aptitude, done some work, know a few things, > seen > a few things. People are busy and they don't tend to want to re-learn > stuff > if it doesn't come to the point soon, claims too much, looks too slick > (websites and overheads) and requires outlay to download papers. > >> Remi, I've suggested some homework. When you look at the website, include > the mamagement credentials and stay tuned. BLP's next step will require > some > > very serious money and very serious people are interested, despite the > turmoil in the financial world. BLP's posture is shifting fromn research > to > development. > > Mike Carrell > >>I mean is anything generally accepted/corroborated, >> peer reviewed? >> >> i.e. can you make the clever people at the Ivy League or Fortune500 labs >> want to spent their time on it? >> >> " >>>NaH apparently qulaifies as a catalyst because heating can intiate a >>>reaction resulting in H[1/3] which is a hydrino catalyst. >> " >> >> And such stuff. >> >> Like anyone in Physics, Engineering or Chemistry in graduate school or >> postdoc level could just pick and say "I know this to be a fact". >> >> I mean I will show you bogus as bogus gets: look up John Searl on Wiki or >> YouTube. It's "done" in the style of science to look scientific when it >> is >> science fiction and snake oil. >> >> I'm not saying Mills is but taking the stance of an impartial observer >> who >> knows how difficult it is passing muster with peers at top universities >> and >> how important it is to take people's advice over presentation matters. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mike Carrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: 25 October 2008 18:30 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Banking on BLP? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robin van Spaandonk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:21 PM >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Banking on BLP? >> >> >> In reply to Mike Carrell's message of Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:54:12 -0400: >> Hi, >> [snip] >>>To: >>>Robin van Spaandonk >>>Jones Beene >>>Ed Storms >>>Scott Little >>>[and lurkers] >>> >>>This has been a very useful discussion. If you have not done so, I >>>recommend >>>downloading http://www.blacklightpower.com/papers/WFC102308WebS.pdf and >>>printing pages 10-14 and 48. Figure 7 on p48 is a scan of NaH using >>>Differential Scanning Clorimetry. It is most instructive. At 350 C there >>>is >>>endothermic decompoisition of NaH. Beginning at 640 C is a very strong >>>exothermic reaction, which I think is conventionally unexpected. The NaH >>>was >>>in 760 Torr He. >> >> This is unfortunate given that He+ is also a catalyst. >> >> MC: But He is not a catalyst, it used as a chemically inert heat transfer >> medium. When the reaction fires, undoubtedly some He will be ionized and >> the >> >> H atoms around, may contribute to the energy yield. That is not >> unfortunate, >> >> it is just a sideshow. >>> >>>The reactions involved in the test cell are complex, and discussed on pp >>>10-12, equations 23-35. The next-to-bottom paragraph of p11 is specially >>>interesting. >>> >>>NaH apparently qulaifies as a catalyst because heating can intiate a >>>reaction resulting in H[1/3] which is a hydrino catalyst. >> >> That is secondary. The primary reason it qualifies as a catalyst is that >> the >> >> sum >> of the three components of the dissociation energy into the specified >> components >> adds to 54.35 eV, which is a close match for 54.4 eV. >> >> Ah, but as a compound those electrons are in place. The riddle here is >> that >> Na in a compound does not appear to manifest the required energy hole. >> The >> molecule may thermally dissociate, with the H taking back it electron. >> Where >> >> is the energy to ionize the Na as it separates from the H? If Na can act >> as >> a catalyst during the separation with only thermal energy, then the >> "resonant raansfer" phenomenon as used/described by Mills apparently has >> new >> >> aspects. Ignoring this detail, and regarding the H[1/3] rpoduct of the >> reaction, then a 'conventional' hydrino catalyst has appeared and can act >> with any H around. >> >>>It still is not >>>clear to me where the 54.35 eV for ionizing Na to catalyze H comes from. >> >> Mills has this weird way of writing his equations. Note that the Hydrino >> reaction itself on the right hand side of equation 23 actually produces >> 108.8 >> eV, half of which goes into the electron hole, and the other half of >> which >> is >> just direct free energy. >> Any one else would just have written eq. 23 with an excess of 54.45 eV on >> the >> right hand side, and nothing on the left. >> >> MC: agreed, I have traouble understanding these chemical equations. >> >> He writes it the way he does, in order to indicate that the energy >> release >> occurs in 2 phases, the first resonant energy dump into the "hole" (which >> in >> this case is 54.35 eV), and the second phase release, which is likely in >> the >> form of kinetic energy. >> >> However don't mistake the 54.35 eV on the left as external input to the >> reaction. It isn't. (it's just a quantity of -54.35 eV that Mills has >> transferred from the right hand side of the equation to the left hand >> side). >> >> What he should have done was: >> >> NaH -> Na++ + 2 e- -54.35 eV + H[1/3] + 108.8 eV (note that the net on >> the >> right >> hand side is 54.45 eV) >> >> This makes it obvious that 54.35 eV is needed to break up the molecule, >> while >> the shrinkage yields a total of 108.8 eV. >> >> After the Hydrino forming reaction is complete, there is still free Na++ >> in >> the >> environment, and when this reacquires its missing electrons and >> recombines >> with >> a free H atom, to form a new molecule of NaH, a total of 54.35 eV is >> released. >> >> So in total for the two reactions (23 & 24) we get 54.45 (from 23) and >> 54.35 >> (from 24) = 108.8, which is precisely the total released during Hydrino >> formation. >> >> To make a long story short, when the Hydrino forms, part of the energy >> released >> is stored in chemical form (Na++ etc.) and part is released directly to >> the >> environment. The part stored in chemical form is then shortly (and >> separately) >> also released to the environment as per equ. 24. >> >> MC: That helps a bit, Robin, but where does the 54.45 eV come from? The >> thermal input from the heater does not seem enough, and there is no >> ionization field as in the microwave cell. Yet the DSC plot clearly shows >> something happening. >> >> Regards, >> Mike Carrell >> >> >> [snip] >> Regards, >> >> Robin van Spaandonk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> This Email has been scanned for all viruses by Medford Leas I.T. >> Department. >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> This Email has been scanned for all viruses by Medford Leas I.T. >> Department. > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > This Email has been scanned for all viruses by Medford Leas I.T. > Department.
