Jed Rothwell wrote: Mizuno is only vaguely aware of Mills and has not read any of his work as far as I know.
Jones Beene wrote: ... This quote from the paper bears repeating: ... "Solids found in the cell after the reaction were analyzed. Before the experiment, the carbon in the cell was 99% 12C, but after heat was produced in the example shown in Fig. 20, more than 50% of the carbon in the phenanthrene sample was 13C+." WOW WOW WOW this is absolutely phenomenal. After a 10 day run more than 50% of the carbon in the phenanthrene sample was apparently transmuted to 13C, or was it? ... We need full clarification before a skeptic who does know about the hydrino can say that what Mizuno was really measuring in the ICP mass spectroscopy ... was merely some new type of ionized molecule ... Robin van Spaandonk wrote: This is essentially what I was referring to in my previous post where I wrote:- "There another possibility that keeps nagging at me. Mills claims the production of e.g. KHyI. It occurs to me that perhaps there is something like CHy, with a strong bond between the Hy and the C, which would have a mass of 13, and would pass for C13. That would also explain the dearth of fusion energy." This is what I have been saying on Vortex for years. It is precisely why a measurement from a MS is not sufficient for work in this field. It needs to be backed up by alternative methods which directly access the nucleus, such as NAA. NAA would clearly distinguish between a Hydrino bound to C12, and real C13, because adding a neutron to a C12 nucleus simply yields stable C13, whereas adding one to C13 yields C14 which is radioactive. Note also that the bond between the C12 and the Hy could be much stronger than an ordinary chemical bond, and hence have a good chance of surviving the ion creation process in a MS. BTW, since Mizuno probably still has the C13 (or can readily make more), this option is still open. Jones wrote: Well - the problem is that the (hypothetical) molecular ion 12C(Hy)+ would not have the identical mass of atomic 13C+, but in fact would be slightly less. The instrument used - so I am told - should be of a precision to be able to differentiate the two if it were calibrated to do so, and if the operator was so instructed to look for it. Apparently two different instruments were used, and the results with the most precision was done by an outside contractor and specialist who perhaps should have noticed a variance. This is not clear however ... BTW - the "smoking gun" for this convoluted chain of cause and effect, mentioned earlier - is the 3.4 eV mass-energy transfer of pairs from the disrupted "quantum foam" of virtual positronium (aka the Dirac epo field) via FRET to induce a similar kind of "shrinkage" that Mills has found, which serve the purpose of reducing the Bohr orbital - but in the totally NON-Millsean way of "ZPE pumping." ZPE (epo field) --> FRET --> H --> Hydrino --> virtual neutron --> transmutation 6.8 eV is the ionization potential of positronium. Half of that is the rest mass of the electron anti-neutrino. Twice that value is the IP of hydrogen (13.2 eV) also known as Ry The Rydberg constant, which can be calculated from more fundamental constants using quantum mechanics; and twice Ry is the the Hartree energy E(subH) employed by Mills - which is equal to the absolute value of the electric potential energy of the hydrogen atom in its traditional ground state. The absorption spectrum of the phenanthrene cation has been computed to have its stongest resonance at 3.4 eV and its initial fluorescence can lie in photon radiation at 3.4 eV. That is the reason it works so well to catalyze the virtual neutron - as it can supply a rest mass equivalent energy (and perhaps QM spin as well) for the electron anti-neutrino in addition to pumping the hydrino ever lower and lower in radius. And to think - this chemical is found in common creosote, coal, and asphalt. Hey, even that may be no accident if some early forms of life actually used this energy or transmutation pathway (Kervan's chicken ancestors <g>) IOW what I am hypothesizing here, is that Mills 27.2 eV does not need to be supplied in a single dose resoant hole or photon as he suggests -- but instead can easily and more elegantly be "pumped" from the epo field using a FRET intermediary such as phenanthrene. This would be a most amazing and elegant coincidence, if even partly accurate... BTW - I would be remiss in not mentioning my 3.4 eV "connection" in this evolving hypothesis - none other than Fred Sparber, who convinced me of the importance of this value, which is found all over physics (like the smile of the Cheshire cat). We used it in another wild invention of his, which if memory serves - we called at one time the "sparberino"... which is not a bad name for the ZPE pump. The sparberino-pump - like it! Robin wrote: "There another possibility that keeps nagging at me.... It occurs to me that perhaps there is something like CHy, with a strong bond between the Hy and the C, which would have a mass of 13, and would pass for C13. Jones Beene wrote: Well - the problem is that the (hypothetical) molecular ion 12C(Hy)+ would not have the identical mass of atomic 13C+, but in fact would be slightly less. The instrument used - so I am told - should be of a precision ... Robin wrote: Indeed. A resolution (M/delta M) of about 3000 would be needed to tell the difference. Hi All, Is there some way that a suggestion to do the below experiment can credibly be made to both Mills and Mizuno? Jack Smith Robin van Spaandonk wrote: ... clearly distinguish between a Hydrino bound to C12, and real C13, because adding a neutron to a C12 nucleus simply yields stable C13, whereas adding one to C13 yields C14 which is radioactive. Note also that the bond between the C12 and the Hy could be much stronger than an ordinary chemical bond, and hence have a good chance of surviving the ion creation process in a MS. BTW, since Mizuno probably still has the C13 (or can readily make more), this option is still open.
