Jones, “cellulosic ethanol” or “advanced hydrous ethanol” seems very
promising indeed! Can it be made easily from Gyre grown floating
Sargassum do you think?

Michel

2009/4/4 Jones Beene <[email protected]>:
> About a month ago, the thread below drew little interest here: primarily
> since “grain fuels” have gotten a bad rap from both sides of the aisle - so
> it is no surprise that environmentalists tend to be misled (by Big-Oil spin)
> about the importance of next-gen ethanol in our collective energy future.
> This alternative fuel is also known as “advanced cellulosic hydrous
> ethanol”. It is too bad that it shares the name and connotation, since it is
> a different beast.
>
> Let me say first of all, that there are several new technologies – which are
> far better than this one – being totally carbon-free alternatives and on the
> immediate horizon – and those are the real future of alternative energy …
>
> BUT even if they arrive from the Lab this year, there will be only modest
> effect on the larger economy for a decade. Algae-biodiesel is looking very
> good as an alternative, but it is not the immediate savior that next-gen
> ethanol can be …  since in the big picture, change is never as rapid as it
> should be: paradigm shifts or mass production and new distribution channels
> take time to  ramp up.
>
> Due to the fact that we already have a farm-to-pump infrastructure in place
> now for corn ethanol, and the additions needed to use cellulose are not
> severe, then it makes perfect sense that for the next 5-10 years- it will be
> in the best interest of the USA to strongly encourage farm-grown but
> non-food-based “advanced hydrous ethanol” PLUS to be used in hybrid autos.
> That combination can cut CO2 emission by 75% and make the USA
> self-sufficient in transportation fuel. Even partial progress towards that
> pairing can eliminate the need for OPEC oil imports. It is the only way to
> preserve the value of the dollar in international markets.
>
> Perhaps I should emphasize that “cellulosic ethanol” or “advanced hydrous
> ethanol” is the important new fuel - to distinguish the desirable 2nd Gen
> variant from its immediate progenitor: which an undesirable fuel consisting
> of blended gasoline with anhydrous (distilled) corn-based ethanol. What a
> joke.  It almost seems that the bastardized fuel was invented by the
> Big-Oil+OPEC Cartel for the express purpose of wanting to quash alternatives
> to pure fossil fuel by making it inferior from the start, and then falsely
> claiming that it reduces food availability.
>
> As it turns out, 100% of the protein of corn when fermented, is retained in
> the Brewers yeast - which is the rich food byproduct of ethanol. In fact
> there is a slight gain in available protein by going this route.
>
> Anyway, here is the previous post (and as it turns out, the Chinese may not
> have the upper hand here):
>
> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg30640.html
>
> Straight from Spud-country – some more and VERY important new R&D has
> confirmed the premise, going back years that hydrous is special since it can
> increase Carnot efficiency substantially. It really is a form of steam
> conversion:
>
> http://www.grainnet.com/article.php?ID=73529
>
> … or… Is this just more moonshine  from tater-heads ?  – methinks, it is
> right-on, Jack and another nail being hammered into the very large coffin
> being constructed for the Big-Oil+OPEC Cartel.
>
> General Jack D. Ripper was right – it’s all we need to protect our precious
> bodily fluids  ;-)
>
> Jones

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