On Oct 5, 2009, at 5:46 AM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:


I've purchased some LR-115; I will cut it up, I plan to serialize the chips, and I'll be selling them in small packages. If you want to give some away, you could either subsidize what I'm doing, or you could buy your own material from the supplier. There is nothing stopping you. If I try to price gouge, which would be stupid, anyone else could step in.


Clearly I have not communicated. I have no interest in being intensively involved in what you are doing either positively or negatively. I especially do not want to engage in extended detailed discussion with you about it. I merely feel it is important to note that I had specific aspirations long before you came on the scene that do not match your vision, and may conflict with your vision in the future. What I lacked is a *convincing* cheap experiment. If such a protocol comes along, then I may or my not continue efforts to develop an experiment intended for classroom use. If I feel like commenting here on any aspect of CF that may or may not relate to your commercial effort I will do so, and if not, not. However, I am not part of your team and not part of the "we" to which you continually refer, unless by "we" you mean the free energy lunatic fringe, to which I freely admit belonging.



I have no interest in spending time on this kind of thing when the
basic science to pull this off cheaply and *convincingly* in a
classroom setting is not there yet. I would prefer to focus on the
fundamentals if I spend time on CF.  However, I have a lot more on my
plate than CF.  If I should find a way to do this my first step would
be to publish free instructions with suppliers for all parts listed.
No kit necessary. The next step would be to form a non-profit
corporation to distribute kits for educational institutions at cost
or less.

The instructions already exist. It's the Galileo protocol.


I said *convincing*. Not only is the Galileo protocol highly controversial, to put it mildly, even the superior work by SPAWAR is still controversial amongst experts in the field. If you come up with something better, great. A convincing experiment would be a good thing to provide to students for a first hand experience, but an unreliable non-definitive experiment, especially one disseminated for profit making purposes, could be a very negative thing for the field.


It includes a list of suppliers, and detailed instructions. The first thing I'm doing is to follow the protocol very closely; I may do some things a little differently, but I'm quite aware that what might seem like a harmless variation could quench the effect, so I'll be very careful. What I do will be documented. The plan was to, indeed, make all the engineering involved in my kits available, so that anyone could replicate exactly without depending on me for supplies. But if you can buy the supplies in appropriate quantities from me, at a price that is worth spending to save the time and hassle, where I make my profit based on quantity purchase and/or convenience, why would you avoid it? For pure science, spotlessly independent replication, perhaps. But that's not the purpose of these kits. The purpose is to get *demonstration* happening, out in the public, widespread, plus certain other benefits I've mentioned. And, since I'm on social security, with a very limited income and very little savings, making some small profit is important for me. Even though I'm retired, I do have two small children and they could use a little more support than they themselves get from their "survivor's benefits."

You want to form the non-profit, go ahead. I'd cooperate and support it. But I'm not about to stop this effort because someone else prefers to do something else!


I haven't suggested you stop. In fact, I might be a prospective customer. What I am not is an employee, nor a committed collaborator. All I am is a list member of vortex-l.

There already is the New Energy Foundation, which supports Krivit in his work. How about sending them a check? Maybe you already have, I don't know who is behind them. Somebody bought $600-$800 worth of CR-39 and sent it to the researchers in a rush when the Tastrak detectors turned out to be "fogging" in the electrolyte.

Another approach I want to pursue, by the way, is to test one of the standard commercial varieties of CR-39, especially very thin sheets. It's possible to "erase" it before usage, by pre-etching. See http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.radmeas.2004.11.010. And I'll be working on scaling down the cells. A small amount of radiation is just as useful for our purposes as a larger amount as long as it is clearly above background, and smaller is both safer and cheaper. (But the SPAWAR neutron levels are very low, ten times background is thinner than I like; still, when that's replicable and consistent, it's enough, and I'm hoping that the boron-10 will up the detection levels at least a little. That boron-10 may end up being the most expensive thing in a cell. Well, not "in" the cell, and I won't be using it on cells where I want to observe the cathode with a microscope during the experiment. Unless it's on the opposite side, a possibility, since the neutrons should penetrate in both directions.

I wish you success in your research.

Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/




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