You may very well be right, Jed, and I just have too jaundiced a view of humanity. However, I had one further comment on the "stupidity versus maliciousness" issue.

On 12/15/2009 04:54 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
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It's exactly like the Newman motor, which had (or has) unmeasured
power in and unmeasured power out. In both cases, the scammer claims
the power out is larger than the power in but there is absolutely no
evidence to back this up.

Newman seems like a sad character. He has had such a tough life, I think
he believes his own claims. He is not making easy money. He is not
living high off the hog. He seems to work hard. His methods do not
support his claims, and that is why he selects these methods. But I
think he is fooling himself.

When the issue of Newman's motor came up on this list, and I asserted that their comparisons were meaningless because they didn't measure input and output power, I received a number of extremely obnoxious, and ultimately highly insulting, emails from a representative of Newman&Co.

But the point-blank question, "what is the power output?", which I asked repeatedly and directly, received NO response -- except threats and ranting and a meaningless "challenge" to bet $10,000 that no other motor could do better than his.

This is not the behavior of someone who is confused or ignorant. A confused, ignorant person who didn't quite understand what he was doing would not see the need to dodge the "trap" in the question, "what is the output power?". An honest person would try, honestly, to answer the question.

You can debate, discuss, or argue with someone who is merely stupid or ignorant. If, however, they are dishonest, have a hidden agenda, and know that their claims are bogus, you can't.

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