Horace Heffner wrote:

I haven't taken the time to look into this in detail, but my first impression . . .

With all due respect, it is a bad idea to discuss these things without looking into them in detail, and a person's first impressions are likely to be wrong.


is that, unless there is a typo, it makes no sense at all to attempt to draw the 23.82 MeV line through Fig. 1 . . .

That is an expectation value. That shows how much helium there would be if the ratio of helium to heat was 23.82 MeV per reaction, and if every atom of helium were recovered. Obviously, not every atom is -- or can be -- recovered. As the text points out a lot of the helium is stuck in the cathode and can only be recovered after the experiment.


Perhaps I'm misreading the x axis labeling "Excess Power/Current
(mW / A)", or the intended meaning of the x axis values.  To be
sensible the x axis should simply be excess energy, i.e. the integral
of mW over time.

Those are instantaneous power readings taken at different times, arranged in ascending order. The helium does not stay in this cell; it is open, like the Miles cell, and the helium is collected from the effluent gas. This is not a time graph of the run, and that is not the integrated energy. In other words, at one point when the cell was producing about 70 mW the helium reading came out 2.4 +/- 0.8, and another time when power was ~100 mW, a helium reading came out 2.8 +/- 1.2. The points at the bottom are either experimental error or caused by helium being trapped in the cathode. It is difficult to say which. Quoting the paper, p. 2 and 3:

"Figure 1 presents the results of concurrent excess power and helium measurements performed during open cell electrolysis using two different Pd and Pd-alloy cathodes. In three instances where excess power was measured at statistically significant levels, 4He also was found to be conveyed out of the cell in the electrolysis gases (D2 + O2). The solid line in Figure 1 plots the regression fit of these data to a line passing through the origin; the dashed line is that expected for 4He generation according to the reaction:

d + d --> 4He + 23.82 MeV (lattice) [1]

It is clear from the slopes of these two lines that the observed 4He constitutes only 76 ± 30% of the 4He predicted by equation [1]. A more significant problem in Figure 1 is that three further 4He samples, taken at times of non-zero excess power (open diamonds), exhibited helium concentrations only at the level of the analytical uncertainty, as did numerous samples taken in the apparent absence of excess power production. Clearly if 4He is produced in association with excess power, it is not released to the gas phase immediately, or completely."

<http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/McKubreMCHtheemergen.pdf>http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/McKubreMCHtheemergen.pdf

That seems pretty clear to me. I do not understand why people here are confused by it.


Maybe if someone took the time to look deeper into this they could
make some sense of it.

I didn't have to look very deeply.

Look folks: An author may not present data the way you would choose to present it. I often find that a graph shows something other than what I assumed; i.e., it shows power rather than integrated energy. Oops. I usually have to read a paper several times to figure out what's what. So let's not jump to conclusions about these things, or assume that X or Y "doesn't make sense." You need to cut the authors some slack. It is tough writing papers and explaining things. Someone once complained to Oliver Heaviside that his papers were very difficult to read. He responded, "That may well be -- but they were much more difficult to write."

- Jed

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