At 02:44 PM 10/17/2010, Jed Rothwell wrote:

Some people have disagreed with me saying we cannot expect to see the best power density ever achieved in experiments, because it only happens in one out of a thousand attempts. I do not buy that. In the book I wrote:

"Cold fusion is difficult to replicate, and the reaction is often unstable. The heat flares up and gutters out, like burning wet green firewood. Poorly understood physical reactions in potentially groundbreaking experiments are often like this. From 1948 to 1952, transistors existed only as rare, delicate, expensive laboratory devices that were difficult to replicate. One scientist recalled that, 'in the very early days the performance of a transistor was apt to change if someone slammed a door.' By 1955, millions of transistors were in use, and any of these later mass produced devices was far more reliable than the best laboratory prototype of 1952."

While I agree there is reason to hope that, once the effect is understood, we may be able to find ways to make it reliable even at high power density,it is also possible that the effect is chaotic, that it essentially poisons itself, that serious practical applications may never be possible. We just don't know. I agree we should find out, it's well worth the investigational effort.

Premature promotion of the energy generation possibilities of cold fusion may play into the skeptical position. After all, there have been efforts for twenty years to find a way to make the reaction usable for practical purpose, to what result? And, yes, I'm fully aware that the question is unfair.

However, it's also true that we can get ahead of ourselves. What's needed is careful work to understand the reaction itself, how does this thing happen? We've moved beyond needing to prove that it happens, that's clear. But we still do not know what it is, and trying to predict practical applications for something we don't understand can't seem, yet, to reliably trigger and sustain, except with minor energy density, is pie in the sky. We need research into the science, and the drive for practical applications has been a huge red herring, premature, likely to waste huge amounts of money. That kind of investment in engineering should be saved for when we do understand the science, and it will be far more efficient and effective then.

We should be encouraging basic scientific studies in the field. There is work being done, and we should applaud it.

Right now, the biggest elephant in the living room is biological transmutation, the work of Vyosotskii. In theory, it should be easy to replicate those studies. But I haven't seen any clue that anyone has tried it. If LENR is real -- and it's real, all right -- then that bacteria might be able to pull it off is just not that surprising. It's not hot fusion, after all! It's just some particular physical configuration of confining atoms, and that might take place on a very small scale.

And then it might be possible to study how they do it, assuming the work can be replicated. The structure of proteins can be determined and manipulated. Etc. It's another approach where the process might be more naked, so to speak. Awfully hard to figure out what's going on with the palladium/complex NAE structures. I agree with Hagelstein that we should be looking for evidence of D2 presence in the palladium, and its association with NAE. It is not hard to think of possible studies, but each one is difficult, each one time-consuming. At least, now, it's increasingly likely that good work will be published. And funding and access to resources, I expect, is easing up.




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