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Re: General consensus on Cold Fusion better known as "Low Energy Nuclear Reactions" L

Originally Posted by Abd Lomax<http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=2990858#post2990858>
Storms is quite conservative.

I don't think the following quote from his 2010 review paper can be called "conservative:" Starting in 1963, L.C. Kervran (1963, 1972, 1980) proposed that living organisms could create elements they needed by transmuting available elements. This idea was widely rejected for lack of believable data and because it seemed impossible. In 1993, Thompkins and Byrd (1993) expanded on the idea in the book "The Secret Life of Plants". In 1992, Komaki (1992, 1993) at the Biological and Agricultural Research Institute in Shiga-ken, Japan undertook a study of molds and yeasts when the organisms were denied essential elements in their culture. They attempted to determine if the necessary elements could be created by transmutation. Using modern analytical tools, these living organisms were shown to increase the concentrations of potassium, magnesium, iron, and calcium in their cells over the amounts available. Vysotskii and coworkers at Kiev Shevchenko University, Ukraine (Vysotskii, Kornilova et al 1996; Vysotskii and Kornilova 2003; Vysotskii, Kornilova et al 1996; Vysotskii, Kornilova et al 2001; Vysotskii, Tashyrev et al 2008) carried the work further by making Fe57 from Mn55 when a collection of bacteria were grown in D2O. The Fe57 was detected using the Mossbauer effect, which is uniquely sensitive to this one isotope and could be used to monitor the reaction rate. The process also has been found to accelerate radioactive decay of some elements. Consequently, bacteria are being explored as a way to rapidly decontaminate soil. While such claims are hard to accept, evidence for them is mounting. If real, the claim adds one more process an explanation must address. In particular, an explanation must account for how the resulting large nuclear energy is released without killing the organism; otherwise the claimed ability obviously could not have been developed by evolution. Further simplification of an explanation can be achieved by assuming the initiation process and the method of energy release used by life-forms applies to all cold-fusion reactions regardless of the products or experimental conditions. The author realizes that many people find a claim for occurrence of nuclear reactions in living cells hard to accept and that many more replications are required before the claim can be fully justified. Nevertheless, the evidence is growing and needs to be debated in the context of cold-fusion.

A fuller quote of what I wrote:
Storms is quite conservative. The "evidence supports the claim." That understates the strength of the evidence. It is not marginal.

That comment was not a general comment about Storms, but about the specific statement made. This writer, <http://www.physicsforums.com/member.php?u=211768>bcrowell, active on Science Forums, has taken the statement out of context.

This particular argument has been alleged before about Storms on Wikipedia, specifically because Storms mentions the work of Vysotskii in his book (2007), and the arguments of bcrowell are very familiar Wikipedia arguments, as if taken from a standing playlist.

However, that comment from the review is actually conservative. Storms does not state that biological transmutation is real, but is noting a rather obvious fact: we reject the concept of biological transmutation because we reject the concept of nuclear reactions at low temperatures. If cold fusion is real -- and it is -- then we cannot quite so confidently reject it out-of-hand. Storms notes, correctly -- I'm made the same point many times, that "many more replications are required before the claim can be fully justified."

Let me explain that a little. Vyosotskii's claims are very well supported by what he reports of experimental evidence. But major claims like this cannot be given deep credence until and unless verified independently. Until that happens, we cannot present his results as fact, but it is standard scientific courtesy to report his observations as if they are actual observations and not fraudulently presented -- or totally bogus and the result of what bcrowell asserts below.

What bcrowell is doing is grandstanding, presenting arguments that could be expected to produce knee-jerk responses, i.e., based on the idea that any mention of biological transmutation must be totally insane, kooky, not to mention fringe. It is fringe, to be sure, but "fringe" is not a synonym for "bad research, bogus, fraud, or complete idiocy." That's a pseudoskeptical position. It is not at all scientific.

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e: General consensus on Cold Fusion better known as "Low Energy Nuclear Reactions" L

Originally Posted by Abd Lomax<http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=2990891#post2990891> (The erratic results may be due to unknown variables -- that's known for the early negative replications, i.e., the variables have been identified -- or they may be due to some chaotic nature of the phenomenon itself, as would be the case with some kinds of experiments even with known and understood phenomena.)

I think the erratic results are due to different levels of competence and incompetence, skepticism and credulity.

That was bcrowell again.

You know, if bcrowell were a cold fusion fanatic, pretending to be a pseudoskeptic, he couldn't do a better send-up.

He has just been presented with a summary of strong evidence that the measurements, made by a dozen independent research groups, around the world, showing that when excess heat is produced, helium is produced in amounts commensurate with the heat and a hypothesis of some kind of deuterium fusion, made plausible through the value of the correlation. Not only has this been published in a review in a major mainstream journal, it is also confirmed in many other reviews published in mainstream journals, and there is no contrary publication. It's solid. It essentially proves that whatever is behind the variability in results, it is not "credulity" or the implied "incompetence." With Miles, the helium measurements were made independently, and the analytical lab did not know which samples came from heat-producing cells, and Miles' data alone, in an earlier, less-complete form, knocked over Huizenga in 1993, who wrote in the second edition of his book, that these results, if confirmed, would explain a major mystery of cold fusion. He then wrote that he did not expect them to be confirmed because there were no "gamma rays."

But they were confirmed.

There are no negative confirmations of this result. The so-called negative confirmations were of a hypothesis that the Pons-Fleischmann design would reliably produce excess heat, which actually wasn't claimed, and Pons and Fleischmann, with five years of experience trying to get these cells to produce heat (after having seen a dramatic demonstration that melted the apparatus down, and which they were unable to approach experimentally again), were only up to, what, one cell in six?

It's obvious why this made many people skeptical. But finding a corrrelated effect should have cut through that problem.

So, we still don't know how to get this thing to be reliable (it might have been thought by 1995), but ... we now can tell, by the correlated product, that the effect is real. We just don't understand it!

bcrowell's position is pure arrogant incivility, as characterized much of the rejection of cold fusion, and it violates the accepted protocols of science.

It is pure rejection, based on belief in theory and what are simply failures to replicate by some groups, not all, enshrined as if science were an impregnable structure, not allowing any sort of contradiction or mystery. That's a religion, not science. Even if it calls itself "skepticism," it has forgotten to be skeptical of itself and its own beliefs.

The video I cited describes true scientific skepticism well, it's a part of the method, where the scientist attempts to falsify his hypothesis (or, the equivalent, to prove or support the null hypothesis). This is part of experimental work, but the pseudoskeptic does not do experimental work, or, if it is done, it is done to prove bogosity, which has been assumed from the start, this is a well-known problem with any scientific research, that if there is something to prove, it can be done, there is always some way to set up conditions and interpret -- or worse, cherry-pick -- data to support it. Biased research may be useful, but only to suggest further research to confirm -- or reject.

The pseudoskeptics assume that all cold fusion research is producing phony results because it's biased in intention. They assume that cold fusion scientists are blinded by dreams of boundless energy. While some may be motivated by this dream, many are not. They are simply interested in the truth, and fascinated by finding some boundary, beyond which lies the unknown. That can be hard to come by! And the reward of this is in finding what is actually there, not what one might want to be there.

Pseudoskepicism, which attacks and ridicules anything contrary to accepted wisdom -- according to the pseudoskeptics -- is the very opposite of science. ScienceApologist, on Wikipedia, is pretty open about this: he'd be on Galileo's case with the Inquistion, because he is a "status-quo promoter, NPOV-pusher." He's radically confused "status quo" with "neutral point of view." And, in practice, he does exclude anything that seems to conflict with the status quo, even if it meets all of the Wikipedia guidelines for inclusion, which depend on publisher decisions, supposedly, not on editor opinion. See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:ScienceApologist&oldid=377773151

He is not an apologist for science, but for orthodoxy and stubborn clinging to beliefs. The very opposite of skepticism, in fact.

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