Well, not to get too far off the subject - but you probably heard of the so-called Project Lucifer, which was kind of a silly conspiracy theory which had arguable support from mystical texts.
There is the slight chance that the high winds of Saturn are already associated with some kind of LENR, which itself might be related to thermal stress at high pressure, in combination with high electric fields. For all we know, these outer planet might have larger amounts of helium3 and deuterium that realized. :-) Talk about proving cold-fusion from afar! From: David Jonsson Hi Nice comments. It will probably take months until I have reach as far as to answer your questions On Jupiter there are complex winds, some faster and some slower than the planet. I would gladly treat the winds on any planet but there is too little data on them. I need pressure and temperature dependency on depth in the atmosphere. Maybe it can be derived. It will be very interesting to see inf the normal stress component significantly alters the scale height ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale_height ) H = kT/Mg of the atmosphere. That would be a real breakthrough. g in that formula is dependent on thermal motion as show in the Physicsforum thread. Another thing is that not very deep down in the atmosphere it will be so hot that there will be ionization with free electrons. Electrons are so lightweight and fast that the thermal effect on their centripetal acceleration makes their g value very much lower than the ions and thus produce an electric field directed inwards. I find it very interesting and I am surprised it hasn't been investigated. I have read something about an electric field on Jupiter or Saturn. On the Earth it is varying over the day between 80-120 V/m. I wonder how much the thermal stress contributes to that. David David Jonsson, Sweden, phone callto:+46703000370 On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Jones Beene <[email protected]> wrote: Interesting paper David, This comment is more about the scope and/or open-endedness of the paper. As I am reading though it, I am hoping to find any suggestions towards the intriguing question posed in the opening - that the winds on Saturn are incredibly fast and blow 500 m/s faster than the planet. Why or how did your original model answer that? Is there an electrical component? Also there is the old problem - does such a fast wind blow only in one direction? That one has possibly been answered - it blows both ways. How could this not create more stress, not less? Obviously you did not set out to answer these questions about the winds on Saturn, but I am left asking - if there is anything new that we know before ? It might be wise to limit the reader's expectations at the start. Jones From: David Jonsson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2011 6:33 AM To: vortex-l Subject: [Vo]:More change regarding rotating gas: less shear and new normal stress variations I had to adjust my calculations again because of failures of the previous calculations. It is significantly simplified and the torque effect is now much lower than in previous versions. I can no longer explain the Venusian winds. One thing I still wonder about is how an equilibrium could be established. Since no net rotation acceleration is taking place in the gas some counter shear stress is taking place and I wonder if the shear stress from the observed shear flow could be balancing the effect. This explains why the flow is contrary to derived shear. On the other hand that shear is horizontal and the derived stress is vertical. I ask you to visit http://arxiv.org/abs/1012.1381 and tell me what you think, Critique is appreciated as well as affirmations. I also have some idea on how to calculate on liquid and solid matter and on plasma. The funny thin is that my initial estimate on plasma is that electromagnetic fields can establish due to the effect. I also plan to include normal stress variations that are also due to thermal motion into the same article. You can find the basis of that part on Physicsforum: http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=464979 Read it from bottom and up to get the corrections first. David David Jonsson, Sweden, phone callto:+46703000370
