At 09:28 PM 6/21/2011, Jed Rothwell wrote:
Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
How's this for a theory: The E-Cat is not boiling much of the water,
only a little. The pump is putting out more water than can boil, so
it runs out the hose. It's hot.
This is an ad-hoc theory, remember, in context, not a "claim."
How hot? Always over 100 deg C? That's what the temperature shows.
I'm talking about the external temperature of the hose.
Also, when they use a meter to measure steam quality, they find that
the steam is dry. It would be wet if it was mostly water.
Sorry, there isn't a "meter" that measures steam quality, as far as I
can tell. The question here would be, not steam quality, per se, but
water actually running out the hose. There might be steam in addition to that.
Perhaps you suggesting the demo Krivit saw was fake and the ones
with the RH meters and flowing water were real. That's contrived.
No, I'm not making any specific suggestion. Suppose, for example,
that the device wasn't working at the claimed output that day.
Suppose that the pump flow rate was too high for the output. This is
the problem that Stephen pointed out, if the pump rate is constant,
isn't there a problem if it is too low or too high?
Perhaps you still suggesting that the companies that make these
meters and Dr. Galantini do not know what they are doing, and you
do. That's chutzpah.
Thank you. The question here, Jed, is not the companies. They don't
claim the utility you read into the information they provide. They do
not claim application for steam quality, haven't found that anywhere,
found a lot of material that would contradict it.
As to Dr. Galantini, well, everyone makes mistakes. I even make mistakes, eh?
But when you were tossed in with Richard P. Feynman at 17 years old,
you may tend to have some chutzpah, so don't be surprised if I don't
fall down when people wave "impressive credentials."
I'll be quite happy to find I'm wrong. But what you've waved at me
doesn't show that, Jed. It's that simple.
By the way, the only issue I see here is the possible presence of
"spit" water. There are reasons to think that this thing did spit
water, that's what would be dangerous! Steam coming out of a hose
like that isn't dangerous. (But, note, there would be condensation in
the hose, which would be boiling hot water. That's why Rossi took
care to make sure that the water in the hose ran out the drain. Even
if the E-Cat isn't spitting, itself.)
To me, the strongest evidence here would be observation of live steam
at the valve. That the hose was still connected, though, weakened
that. You could have live steam coming out the top and hot water
coming out the hose.
