At 11:04 AM 7/30/2011, Joshua Cude wrote:

On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Jouni Valkonen <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:

That is very true, it requires lots of steam to rise boiling point temperature by one degree of celsius.


How much is lots? If 2% of the liquid vaporizes, that makes lots of steam.

Right. The behavior of the E-cat indicates that some water is vaporizing. How much, we have few clues, except that the weakness of the steam in some demos makes it look like "not much." It's been pointed out that some demos may have represented "not working" E-cats. This, all by itself, if true, raises a major issue.

To those of us with a major interest in LENR, that there might be Ni-H results wasn't so surprising. There was resistance to Ni-H for theoretical reasons, but this kind of thinking was really the same kind of thinking that caused premature rejection of PdD cold fusion. Unexpected.

Rossi made a splash, though, because he was claiming not only high levels of heat, but reliability. Reliability is crucial for commercialization. If he doesn't have a reliable reactor, even if it works sometimes, there is a huge problem and he may fail to deliver in October *even if the things actually do work sometimes.*


Mats Lewan's E-Cat had highest ratio of excess heat produced where there was around 2kW excess heat.


I agree, if by "around" you mean "give or take 2 kW".

More like 1 kW give or take 1 kW!

Hey, Cude, how about popping over to Wikiversity and helping develop the Cold fusion resource there, making sure that skeptical POV is well-represented? We had Moulton for a while, but he flamed out. Some good things came out of our discussions, even though he was really a pseudoskeptic. He was smart enough to raise some important issues, and they got clarified. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cold_fusion etc. There is some mention of the Rossi reactor at http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cold_fusion#Nickel-hydrogen_system, and there is a page on it at http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Cold_fusion/Energy_Catalyzer. I wrote all that and it's really old and naive now.

I now conclude that Rossi is a fraud. He may be finding some excess heat, but his demonstrations and comments amount to fraud anyway. Exaggerating his results is a form of fraud, and that kind of fraud has happened before. Come to think of it, possibly with Rossi. It's not criminal fraud, as far as I know. He can tell the public any story he wants, it's not illegal to lie to the public. After all, politicians, etc.!

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