Again your the only one who is imagining flow calorimetry without a flow. I
can assure you I'm imagining no such thing. But of course you would not be
able to tell me if there was or wasn't flow in any case you say you knew
about. That's whats unique about you Jed. Your "science" is completely
imaginary and you know it yet you can still turn around and say it was my
imagination all along. If someone else saying the best they can do in terms
of data is to tell you they've been working with it for more than a month
most people would sense a total lie coming. Not you Jed. You'd tell us
that's what makes it reliable. Ah... but there's no it as far as I can tell.
Show the data. And no flawed flow calorimetry (however precious that may be
to you) is going to be able to produce reliable data. Perhaps what you meant
is what I've been telling you- don't use flow calorimetry. If you think the
liquid test is better show us the results. Why did Rossi make so much of the
steam tests?
If Rossi's steam is dry you'd better believe there's no liquid flow. And if
so why is the temp 100C? No superheat. Rossi must be a master of control!
Yes, you've been imaginig everything you've said Jed. "Experts say," is a
redundant statement. You should know that by now Jed. Why do company
spokespeople deny that steam quality can be measured this way. Of course you
know it can't. I've never heard of a boiler man doing any such thing. We all
know its more difficult to measure steam quality.
Still don't know why your ranting about flow calorimetry using a flow of
water. Are you trying to say a flow of water is justification in itself?
As a matter of fact the probe that Levi uses to measure RH has an attachment
for velocity. Its one of the easiest things to measure.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jed Rothwell" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 5:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Corrections to "heat after death" calculations
Joe Catania wrote:
Until I see the data you refer to all I can say is its seems like more of
a guess.
Okay. Ask Krivit to show it to you again. It was there before.
It seems like a pretty good guess to me, since they told me they worked
with the gadget for a month before demonstrating it. They did not say "we
worked with one gadget for four weeks and then arbitrarily decided to use
another one on the day of the test." I do not have your vivid imagination
so I am not good at guessing or coming up with mind-boggling scenarios
such as this, or people doing flow calorimetry without a flow.
Why dosen't Rossi verify steam quality.
He does. He uses a Delta Ohm RH meter or another brand. Experts tell me
this is a perfectly good method. Self-appointed experts here say it is
not, but all the real world experts I've heard from are confident that
Rossi's steam is dry. They say it has to be, given the geometry of his
device, the temperatures and the pressure (1 atm). I do not know enough to
judge but I tend to assume that experts know what they're talking about,
and I'm sure that this method cannot be as wrong as people here imagine it
might be.
I'm also sure that everyone who does flow calorimetry does use a flow of
water. Hence the name: "flow calorimetry." But that's just me. I take
things literally. When someone says "I drove from Atlanta to Washington" I
assume they meant they have a car with four wheels and inflated tires,
rather than a magic carpet or a herd of buffalo attached to skateboards. I
suppose I am making a lot of assumptions and you could be right that
people do flow calorimetry without a flow or that the machine is several
hundred degrees and incandescent but no one has noticed and the insulating
tape did not burn because it is special ordered from the Russian Space
Agency for patching up reentry vehicle nosecones. Anything is possible and
life is full of mysteries, but alas most of the mysteries escape my
attention because -- as I said -- I have prosaic imagination, I read the
manual, and I assume that people mean what they say.
A simple steam velocity would verify steam quality yet I see no attempt
being made to do so.
And how does one measure steam velocity, simply? Or in a complicated way,
for that matter? You should get together with Lomax on this. With your
imagination I am sure you can suggest a method.
- Jed
